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22 Oct 1812
Church Rudiments

1. Principles P
Ch.
Rudiments

7. A thing's
against present advantage: for Perhaps it was useful then:
2. Though useful then has ceased it to be so.
3. We can see more clearly what is advantageous
now, than what was then.

2. Cause of advance to antient establishments. 1. Sole reason adducible in favour of
still existing abuses. the victims causes an obstacle or vice versa at pleasure. 2. Requires neither labour nor intelligence on the part of
him who renders it as evidence of personal ability.

3. So far as concerns property & power thing's being done now is very good reason
postulate why it should continue to be done: because whatever it now possesses
can not be taken away without pain of privation or do to the possession of disappointment
to expectants. This pain is more certain and immediate than any good which could be produced
by the change. To compensate it the value of the good must be proportionably augmented in extent, and duration
By avoiding to produce the privations & disappointments, the good of the change may
be obtained pure.

4. For preserving power not the same reason as for do property: property
being given to the proprietor for his own sake, power to the holder for the sake of
those for whom he is in trust.

5. Reason what for settling what would be or have been the fittest course independently
of the actual state of things in respect of possession of property
and power? — Answer: That in determining what is right fit under existing
circumstances, from the mass of abstract right no further exception defalcation
be made that what the existing circumstances in respect of property
& power produce a demand for.

Answering
Establishment
Question
1. Practical discourse
2. Statistic matter
3. Historical matter

Use of the
historical
1. Legitimate when
action & existence
2d
2. Illegitimate — Obtain
opinion

6. Embarrassment the defenders of existing abuses are under in the character of worshippers
of antiquity. the original antiquity as being itself Popery or having ended
in it not serving their time, they are obliged to to the old — an
idol, viz. under antiquity — the antiquity of the so-called Reformation
P that it interest contributed to produce it so f produce
in England & so they of themselves stopped it. In Scotland owing to more favourable
circumstances it went further. But in England the difference between
the & reformation is not acknowledged as reformation

7. In Scotland no Bishops & no creeds, no sermons &c In England how came
they to be retained? A. Because it was the Kings interest that they should be
used in England the King was stronger than in Scotland.

No abuse so monstrous but it has found its defenders: because
interested. The defence along the same employed which
a list may be given: almost all irrelevant

§.2. Collateral questions

I question I. W question of propriety. question What fittest to be done have place upon the whole

I.1. Question of practical fitness Practical fitness is abstract fitness
minus unfitness from the inconvenience attached a change.

2. Main question of fact — what the state of things that actually have place
question of actuality of practice

II Collateral question

1. Collateral question of fact — what the state of things in former times historical question

4 Practical fitness is abstract fitness minus inconvenience from change

Question of Historical Anti-reform Arguments against reform the questions of actuality of which the facts which are the subject matter
of p is the source. — no convenience attached to change

I. Question concerning the present
Question of fitness its
elements
0. In the case of abuse or imperfection
1. of the Mischief of the abuses
2. Benefits practice of any of the abusive
practice.
3. Universally applicable
argument against change,
and thence in favour of the
abusive practice,
inconvenience of change
Fitness abstract & practical,
practical is abstract measure
inconvenience of change.

II Questions concerning the
past
The past has no importance
but with reference to the present
and the future.
Question concerning the past
a question of practice is matter
of fact — the historicall question
Ways in what it may be of
importance in relation to present
& future

II Anti-reform arguments of which the historical facts which are the subject matter
of the historical question of are the source.

1. Prejudice in favour of antiquity of institution — Our Ancestors are were wiser & better
than we

2. Arg Prejudice a favour of d of practice. Had it been mischievous,
it would not have thus long continued. Refutation.

[3. Difference between these two prejudices. Both are circumstantial evidence.
The Argument arising out of the question of abstract utility of change is direct evidence
& it consists always of the ad of the evil in determinate shapes]

III. Anti-abuse argument of which the historical state of things may be the
source — Present position is contrary not only to abstract and practical fitness, but to original practice.




Identifier: | JB/006/009/001
"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 6.

Date_1

1812-10-22

Marginal Summary Numbering

Box

006

Main Headings

church of englandism

Folio number

009

Info in main headings field

church rudiments

Image

001

Titles

Category

text sheet

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

Penner

jeremy bentham

Watermarks

<…> co

Marginals

Paper Producer

a. levy

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

Notes public

ID Number

2742

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