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<head>1823. Sept.11.</head>
 
<head>Constitutional Code</head>
 
<note>Ch. Quasi Jury</note>
 
<p>Jurors.</p>
<p>In intellectual and<lb/>
active aptitude this<lb/>
uniformly stands unquestionable.</p>
<p>As to moral, now<lb/>
of the checks (25) which<lb/>
apply to <hi rend="underline">Judge</hi> apply<lb/>
to thence.</p>
<pb/>
<p>5. or. 1.</p>
<p>Design here.<lb/> 1. Adopt apt jury features.<lb/> 2. Discard unapt d<hi rend="superscript">o</hi>.<lb/> 3. Add apt ones.</p>
<p>6. or. 2.</p>
<p>Apt: viz. as to Quasi Jury:<lb/> for one will be shown, <lb/> which, though essentially<lb/> apt in jury, would in <lb/> Quasi Jury be mischievous.</p>
<p>[Add? This is a virtual<lb/> negative on laws with<lb/> a Constitutional aspect.<lb/> See below]</p>
<p>7. or. 3.</p>
<p>Prime difference to jury<lb/> belongs, in a certain way,<lb/> decisive power as to the<lb/> ultimate result of the <lb/> suit: ex. gr. acquittal in <lb/> a penal suit.<lb/> To a Quasi Jury, not.</p>
<p>8. or. 4.</p>
<p>Only in one case has<lb/> Quasi Jury decisive power: <lb/> and then it is not ultimately<lb/> decisive.</p>
<p>This is power of warranting<lb/> Appeal, in cases in <lb/> which English law does<lb/> not: viz. in cases in<lb/> which it were given absolutely<lb/> to dependant, it<lb/> would <unclear>intolerabilize</unclear> vexation<lb/> and <sic>expence</sic> to prosecutors, <lb/> witnesses, and <lb/> Quasi Jurors: since, for <lb/>delay and chance of escape,<lb/> all convicts whose<lb/> guilt was beyond doubt<lb/> would appeal notwithstanding.</p>
<p>9. or. 5.</p>
<p>Reason for withholding<lb/> from Quasi Jury, the decisive<lb/> power of a jury.<lb/> <hi rend="underline">Hence</hi> judge's moral inaptitude<lb/> is checked more <lb/> effectually than it is in<lb/> juries, or would be in <lb/> Quasi juries: and<lb/>
<add>in</add></p>
<pb/>
<p>9. or. 5. contin<hi rend="superscript">d</hi>.</p>
<p>in intellectual and active <lb/> aptitude, never<lb/> could the miscellaneous<lb/> and inexperienced<lb/> many compete with <lb/> the select and experienced<lb/> few.</p>
<p>10. or. 6.</p>
<p>As to the virtual negative<lb/> possessed by the juries, <lb/> here, the laws being the<lb/>work of the delegates of<lb/> the whole people, any<lb/> negative in the hands <lb/> of a miscellaneous few <lb/> would be worse than <lb/>useless.</p>
<p>11. or. 7.</p>
<p>This decisive power being<lb/> withholden, none<lb/> but the auditive, interrogative<lb/> and communicative<lb/> left, the character<lb/> is little more than <lb/> that of an appointed <lb/> committee of the Public<lb/> Opinion Tribunal, constantly<lb/> present.</p>
<p>12.</p>
<p>Jury's decision and virtual<lb/> negative excepted, it's<lb/> apt features are accidentally,<lb/> not necessarily connected<lb/> with it these are:<lb/>1. End, bridling judge's <lb/> power.<lb/> 2. Publicity.<lb/> 3. <unclear>Lash</unclear> for judge, explaining<lb/> case, and showing reasons<lb/> for his advice &amp;c.<lb/> 4. Evidence in the best<lb/> shape.</p>
<p>12 (a.)</p>
<p>Features of this best shape<lb/> 1. Question <foreign>viva voce</foreign> parties,<lb/> judiciary, auditory,<lb/> present<lb/> 2. Put by persons interested<lb/> in bringing out the whole<lb/> truth: without supposition<lb/> or disguise: viz. one <lb/> side one half; the other the <lb/> other.<lb/> 3. Answers extempore, <lb/> without time for supposition<lb/> or misrepresentation.</p>
<pb/>
<p>12 (a.) Contin<hi rend="superscript">d</hi>.</p>
<p>4. Questions rising out<lb/> of, and alternating with<lb/> answers.<lb/> 5. The whole minuted on<lb/> the spot by any that will, <lb/> as well as by judge.<lb/> 6. Judge the same, by whom <lb/> the decision grounded on it<lb/> will be framed.<lb/> 7. Wanting here, faculty of<lb/>amendment at leisure allowed<lb/> to relating witnesses<lb/> as in Part<hi rend="superscript">y</hi>. Committees:<lb/> not dangerous to truth, the<lb/> original minute remaining<lb/> as a standard.</p>
<p>13.</p>
<p>Of these features, none<lb/> but might have place in <lb/> a judicatory without a<lb/> jury: viz.<lb/> 1. Publicity it has place in <lb/> English Equity Procedure<lb/> in some stages.<lb/> 2. So in d<hi rend="superscript">o</hi>. judges explanative<lb/> and reason-giving<lb/> <unclear>lash</unclear></p>
<p>3. So, evidence in best<lb/> shape, in preparatory criminal<lb/> examinations, justice<lb/> of peace <add><sic>judication</sic></add>.<lb/> But for <sic>compleat</sic>, correct and clean <lb/> performance of that <unclear>lash</unclear>,<lb/> in no case are the motives<lb/> to cogent as in that <lb/> of a jury.</p>
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1823. Sept.11. Constitutional Code Ch. Quasi Jury

Jurors.

In intellectual and
active aptitude this
uniformly stands unquestionable.

As to moral, now
of the checks (25) which
apply to Judge apply
to thence.


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5. or. 1.

Design here.
1. Adopt apt jury features.
2. Discard unapt do.
3. Add apt ones.

6. or. 2.

Apt: viz. as to Quasi Jury:
for one will be shown,
which, though essentially
apt in jury, would in
Quasi Jury be mischievous.

[Add? This is a virtual
negative on laws with
a Constitutional aspect.
See below]

7. or. 3.

Prime difference to jury
belongs, in a certain way,
decisive power as to the
ultimate result of the
suit: ex. gr. acquittal in
a penal suit.
To a Quasi Jury, not.

8. or. 4.

Only in one case has
Quasi Jury decisive power:
and then it is not ultimately
decisive.

This is power of warranting
Appeal, in cases in
which English law does
not: viz. in cases in
which it were given absolutely
to dependant, it
would intolerabilize vexation
and expence to prosecutors,
witnesses, and
Quasi Jurors: since, for
delay and chance of escape,
all convicts whose
guilt was beyond doubt
would appeal notwithstanding.

9. or. 5.

Reason for withholding
from Quasi Jury, the decisive
power of a jury.
Hence judge's moral inaptitude
is checked more
effectually than it is in
juries, or would be in
Quasi juries: and
in


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9. or. 5. contind.

in intellectual and active
aptitude, never
could the miscellaneous
and inexperienced
many compete with
the select and experienced
few.

10. or. 6.

As to the virtual negative
possessed by the juries,
here, the laws being the
work of the delegates of
the whole people, any
negative in the hands
of a miscellaneous few
would be worse than
useless.

11. or. 7.

This decisive power being
withholden, none
but the auditive, interrogative
and communicative
left, the character
is little more than
that of an appointed
committee of the Public
Opinion Tribunal, constantly
present.

12.

Jury's decision and virtual
negative excepted, it's
apt features are accidentally,
not necessarily connected
with it these are:
1. End, bridling judge's
power.
2. Publicity.
3. Lash for judge, explaining
case, and showing reasons
for his advice &c.
4. Evidence in the best
shape.

12 (a.)

Features of this best shape
1. Question viva voce parties,
judiciary, auditory,
present
2. Put by persons interested
in bringing out the whole
truth: without supposition
or disguise: viz. one
side one half; the other the
other.
3. Answers extempore,
without time for supposition
or misrepresentation.


---page break---

12 (a.) Contind.

4. Questions rising out
of, and alternating with
answers.
5. The whole minuted on
the spot by any that will,
as well as by judge.
6. Judge the same, by whom
the decision grounded on it
will be framed.
7. Wanting here, faculty of
amendment at leisure allowed
to relating witnesses
as in Party. Committees:
not dangerous to truth, the
original minute remaining
as a standard.

13.

Of these features, none
but might have place in
a judicatory without a
jury: viz.
1. Publicity it has place in
English Equity Procedure
in some stages.
2. So in do. judges explanative
and reason-giving
lash

3. So, evidence in best
shape, in preparatory criminal
examinations, justice
of peace judication.
But for compleat, correct and clean
performance of that lash,
in no case are the motives
to cogent as in that
of a jury.


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Date_1

1823-09-11

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5 or 1 - 11 or 7, 12, 12a, 13

Box

034

Main Headings

constitutional code

Folio number

041

Info in main headings field

constitutional code

Image

001

Titles

Category

marginal summary sheet

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

Penner

jeremy bentham; john flowerdew colls

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Paper Producer

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

Notes public

ID Number

10315

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