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<p>1822 Jun 13</p>
<p>1822 Jun 13</p>
<head>J.B. to Bolivar</head>
<head>J.B. to Bolivar</head>
 
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The other topic was the <hi rend="underline">junction of the two Seas</hi> <gap/> whether<lb/>
<p>The other topic was the <hi rend="underline">junction of the two Seas.</hi> I forgot whether<lb/>
I did not mention it to Bolivar in a firm letter. Upon my<lb/>
I did not mention it to Bolivar in a firm letter. Upon my<lb/>
mentioning it to <del><gap/></del> his Agent <hi rend="underline">Echeverria</hi>, of when above, he<lb/>
mentioning it to <del><gap/></del> his Agent <hi rend="underline">Echeverria</hi>, of whom above, he<lb/>
informed me that it had not passed <unclear>intended</unclear> by his<lb/>
informed me that it had not passed unheeded by his<lb/>
Government, and that with a view to it an <gap/> whom<lb/>
Government, and that with a view to it an individual whom<lb/>
he mentioned had in Feb<hi rend="superscript">y</hi> been sent from this first of the<lb/>
he mentioned had in Feb<hi rend="superscript">y</hi> been sent from this part of the<lb/>
world to take survey: <del><gap/> <gap/> <gap/> <gap/> <gap/></del> He expressed<lb/>
world to take surveys. <del><gap/> <gap/> <gap/> <gap/> <gap/></del> He expressed<lb/>
no desire about <unclear>survey</unclear> I know no reason why he<lb/>
no desire about <sic>secresy</sic> I know no reason why he<lb/>
should: I therefore break no trust in <del>mentioning</del> <add>making this mention of</add> it to <del>you</del><lb/>
should: I therefore break no trust in <del>mentioning</del> <add>making this mention of</add> it to <del>you</del><lb/>
In answer to <gap/> <gap/> <gap/> he had the <del><gap/></del> desire<lb/>
In answer to some hints of mine he said the <del><gap/></del> desire<lb/>
was to accomplish the matter in their own territory<lb/>
was to accomplish the matter in their own territory<lb/>
with their own capital: and if capital enough could<lb/>
with their own capital: and if capital enough could<lb/>
not be obtained in it, <del><gap/></del> <add>then</add> and act otherwise to have <del>any</del><lb/>
not be obtained in it, <del><gap/></del> <add>then</add> and not otherwise to have <del>any</del><lb/>
<del><gap/> <gap/> <gap/></del> <add>recourse to</add> forego <gap/> in the shape of <gap/> or<lb/>
<del><gap/> <gap/> <gap/></del> <add>recourse to</add> foreign assistance in the shape of capital or<lb/>
any other shape. This, <add>you see</add> is exactly what might <add>have been</add> <del><gap/></del> expected.<lb/>
any other shape. This, <add>you see</add> is exactly what might <add>have been</add> <del><gap/></del> expected.<lb/>
such a plan, <unclear>suppose it probable,</unclear> <gap/> on what terms would this<lb/>
But <del><gap/> <gap/> <gap/> what would be the <gap/> <gap/> <gap/> they</del> such a plan, suppose it practicable, <del><gap/></del> on what terms would this<lb/>
<gap/> <gap/> <gap/> <gap/> what would be the <gap/> <gap/> <gap/> they<lb/>
admitt other nations to the benefit of it? Upon liberal terms such as Yours?<lb/>
admitt other notions to the benefit of it? Upon liberal terms such as Yours?<lb/>
<del>go upon your liberal plan and</del> admitt <del>all <gap/> upon</del><lb/>
<del>go upon your liberal <gap/> and</del> admitt <del>all <gap/> upon</del><lb/>
<del>the same terms with this one?</del> this would (I fear) be<lb/>
<unclear>the same</unclear> terms with <gap/> <gap/>? this would (<unclear>I fear</unclear>) be<lb/>
too much to expect. What would be the consequence? other nations<lb/>
too much to expect. What would be the consequence? <gap/> <gap/><lb/>
would, not <add>&#x2014; &amp; altogether</add> not without reason, be in an ill humour with them,<lb/>
would, not <add>&#x2014; &amp; altogether</add> without reason, be in an ill humour with them,<lb/>
and picking quarrels with them. Not regarding it as probable that<lb/>
and picking quarrels with them. Not regarding it <gap/> probable that<lb/>
<del><gap/></del> within any reasonable time they would be able to get capital sufficient<lb/>
<del><gap/></del> within any reasonable <gap/> they would be able to get capital sufficient<lb/>
except from England my plan is that they should have recourse to a<lb/>
except from England my plan is that they should have recourse to an<lb/>
Joint Stock company say the <hi rend="underline">Junctiana</hi> Company; <gap/> <add>that</add> to this company should<lb/>
<unclear>Irish</unclear> <gap/> company say the <hi rend="underline"><gap/></hi> Company; <gap/> <add>that</add> to this company should<lb/>
be ceded a spot, sufficient but not more than sufficient, for forming and keeping<lb/>
be ceded a spot, sufficient but not more than sufficient, for forming and keeping<lb/>
up the communication:
up the communication: that <add>for protection,</add> the Anglo-American States should be requested to<lb/>
 
admitt it into their Union <add>it being <gap/> more speedily accessible from their metropolis by sea,</add><lb/>
 
<note>than much of their present territory by land.</note><lb/>
 
<note>Company, over and above<lb/>
 
expenses of <gap/><lb/>
 
fortification <gap/> to pay<lb/>
 
or not to pay a purchase<lb/>
to the Government<lb/>
many for the land:<lb/>
private <del>proprietors recourse</del> <add>dominion over the</add><lb/>
their indemnification<lb/>
<gap/>: profit<lb/>
of the Company, <gap/><lb/>
(the sum <del>for</del> <add>from</add> all <gap/>)<lb/>
and <gap/> of the <unclear>land</unclear><lb/>
<del><gap/> <gap/></del> <add>in parcels</add> for habitations,<lb/>
, building, and other purposes.<lb/>
The]</note> the most promising spot being <del><gap/></del> not far<lb/>
distant from the <del><gap/></del> boundary <gap/> between Columbia and Mexico,<lb/>
the <del><gap/></del> thing desirable would be that <gap/> the <hi rend="underline">Junctionary</hi> Territory should<lb/>
be between the two. In this place, so far as depended upon <hi rend="underline">laws</hi> and<lb/>
<hi rend="underline">treaties</hi>, the benefit should be equal to all nations: but <del><gap/></del> by <hi rend="underline">nature</hi><lb/>
the benefit would be proportioned to their <gap/> vicinity to the spot: better<lb/>
<del><gap/></del> the Junctionary territory should have both territories for its <del><gap/></del><lb/>
next neighbours, than be inclosed in one of <gap/>. To Buenos Ayres<lb/>
and Chili <del>the utility of</del> the measure <gap/> may perhaps be left <gap/><lb/>
than to any other nation: but I can hardly suppose it could<lb/>
be otherwise without interest to either <del><gap/> <gap/></del>. As to the Anglo American United<lb/>
States, it is matter of demonstration that so long as <gap/> <gap/> <gap/> <gap/> as</p>
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<note>good as it is, <gap/> <gap/> <gap/> <gap/> what should<lb/>
make it <gap/>, no other nations <gap/> <gap/> any<lb/>
thing to fear from <gap/> at their hands.</note>


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1822 Jun 13

J.B. to Bolivar

The other topic was the junction of the two Seas. I forgot whether
I did not mention it to Bolivar in a firm letter. Upon my
mentioning it to his Agent Echeverria, of whom above, he
informed me that it had not passed unheeded by his
Government, and that with a view to it an individual whom
he mentioned had in Feby been sent from this part of the
world to take surveys. He expressed
no desire about secresy I know no reason why he
should: I therefore break no trust in mentioning making this mention of it to you
In answer to some hints of mine he said the desire
was to accomplish the matter in their own territory
with their own capital: and if capital enough could
not be obtained in it, then and not otherwise to have any
recourse to foreign assistance in the shape of capital or
any other shape. This, you see is exactly what might have been expected.
But what would be the they such a plan, suppose it practicable, on what terms would this
admitt other nations to the benefit of it? Upon liberal terms such as Yours?
go upon your liberal plan and admitt all upon
the same terms with this one? this would (I fear) be
too much to expect. What would be the consequence? other nations
would, not — & altogether not without reason, be in an ill humour with them,
and picking quarrels with them. Not regarding it as probable that
within any reasonable time they would be able to get capital sufficient
except from England my plan is that they should have recourse to a
Joint Stock company say the Junctiana Company; that to this company should
be ceded a spot, sufficient but not more than sufficient, for forming and keeping
up the communication: that for protection, the Anglo-American States should be requested to
admitt it into their Union it being more speedily accessible from their metropolis by sea,
than much of their present territory by land.
Company, over and above
expenses of
fortification to pay
or not to pay a purchase
to the Government
many for the land:
private proprietors recourse dominion over the
their indemnification
: profit
of the Company,
(the sum for from all )
and of the land
in parcels for habitations,
, building, and other purposes.
The]
the most promising spot being not far
distant from the boundary between Columbia and Mexico,
the thing desirable would be that the Junctionary Territory should
be between the two. In this place, so far as depended upon laws and
treaties, the benefit should be equal to all nations: but by nature
the benefit would be proportioned to their vicinity to the spot: better
the Junctionary territory should have both territories for its
next neighbours, than be inclosed in one of . To Buenos Ayres
and Chili the utility of the measure may perhaps be left
than to any other nation: but I can hardly suppose it could
be otherwise without interest to either . As to the Anglo American United
States, it is matter of demonstration that so long as as

good as it is, what should
make it , no other nations any
thing to fear from at their hands.



Identifier: | JB/060/019/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 60.

Date_1

1822-06-13

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Box

060

Main Headings

panopticon

Folio number

019

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[[info_in_main_headings_field::jb to bolivar [sic]]]

Image

001

Titles

Category

correspondence

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

e4

Penner

jeremy bentham

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Paper Producer

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

Notes public

letter 2898, vol. 11

ID Number

19577

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