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<head>+ F 9 14 Dec 41<lb/> §8 Establishment increased a pretence for crushing<lb/> F.9. Duke of Portland to Lords of the Treasury. &#x2014; 14 Oct<hi rend='superscript'>r</hi> 1799.  </head>
 
<p><hi rend='underline'>Pretends to have examined the Acts</hi> &#x2014; <hi rend='underline'>puts a groundless interpretation on</hi> <lb/> <hi rend="underline">them</hi> &#x2014; <hi rend='underline'>confusion and inconsistency </hi>&#x2014; <hi rend='underline'>Will not allow Panopticon any convicts </hi><lb/> t<hi rend="underline">hat can either be transported or kept in the Jails.</hi> <hi rend='underline'>it would check the imprisonment</hi><lb/> <hi rend="underline">in the Jails</hi> &#x2014; <hi rend="underline">Will not execute the Acts</hi> &#x2014; <hi rend='underline'>because the expence would fall on government</hi><lb/> <hi rend="underline">yet proposes 2150 as the number</hi>. </p>
 
<p>M<hi rend='superscript'>r</hi> King having laid before me a Letter from M<hi rend='superscript'>r</hi> Long <lb/>of the 27<hi rend='superscript'>th</hi> ulti<hi rend='superscript'><hi rend='underline'>e</hi></hi> desiring, by command of your Lordships, to be<lb/> apprized of the number of Convicts, which the Panopticon proposed <lb/>to be erected by M<hi rend='superscript'>r</hi> Bentham, is intended to accommodate.<lb/> <hi rend='underline'>I have examined <add>(b)</add></hi> the Acts of the 19<hi rend='superscript'>th</hi> and 34<hi rend='superscript'>th</hi> of his<lb/> present Majesty relative to the building of Penitentiary Houses <lb/>for confining and employing in hard labour, person convicted<lb/> of transportable and other Crimes. &#x2014; </p> 
 
<p><hi rend='underline'>I understand the objects of those Acts to be</hi>, that such<lb/> Penitentiary Houses should be used <hi rend='underline'>principally as receptacles <lb/>for such transportable Convicts, as the several gaols of the <lb/>respective Counties cannot contain, from the time of their receiving <lb/>sentence, till an opportunity may offer for their being transported.</hi> <hi rend='superscript'>(<hi rend='underline'>c)</hi> </p>
 
<p>With respect to the probably number of transportable Convicts, <lb/>no safer rule can be adopted, than by taking the greatest number<lb/> of the four last years of <hi rend='underline'>Peace</hi>: [<hi rend='underline'>though</hi> it may increase, <add>+</add>, yet<lb/> the increase <del>yet th</del> of live <hi rend='underline'>stock</hi> &amp; <hi rend='underline'>will</hi> probably more than <lb/>counterbalance the difference.....<del>]</del> ] <hi rend='superscript'>(d)</hi>  </p>


<p>As to <hi rend='underline'>other</hi> Convicts, it will depend on the opinion of <lb/>the Judges who try them, what number of them it may be<lb/> proper to confine in the Panopticon: it is impossible to ascertain <lb/>with accuracy the number to which they may amount:<lb/> but I incline to think it would be very inexpedient to move <lb/><hi rend='underline'>such</hi> Persons from the country Gaols, unless the crowded state <lb/>of those Gaols should render it absolutely necessary: for it<lb/> would naturally tend &#x2014; not only to check that spirit of improvement, <lb/>which now so universally prevails, in the several<lb/> <add>Counties.</add>
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+ F 9 14 Dec 41
§8 Establishment increased a pretence for crushing
F.9. Duke of Portland to Lords of the Treasury. — 14 Octr 1799.

Pretends to have examined the Actsputs a groundless interpretation on
themconfusion and inconsistency Will not allow Panopticon any convicts
that can either be transported or kept in the Jails. it would check the imprisonment
in the JailsWill not execute the Actsbecause the expence would fall on government
yet proposes 2150 as the number.

Mr King having laid before me a Letter from Mr Long
of the 27th ulti<hi rend='underline'>e</hi> desiring, by command of your Lordships, to be
apprized of the number of Convicts, which the Panopticon proposed
to be erected by Mr Bentham, is intended to accommodate.
I have examined (b) the Acts of the 19th and 34th of his
present Majesty relative to the building of Penitentiary Houses
for confining and employing in hard labour, person convicted
of transportable and other Crimes. —

I understand the objects of those Acts to be, that such
Penitentiary Houses should be used principally as receptacles
for such transportable Convicts, as the several gaols of the
respective Counties cannot contain, from the time of their receiving
sentence, till an opportunity may offer for their being transported.
(<hi rend='underline'>c)

With respect to the probably number of transportable Convicts,
no safer rule can be adopted, than by taking the greatest number
of the four last years of Peace: [though it may increase, +, yet
the increase yet th of live stock & will probably more than
counterbalance the difference.....] ] (d)

As to other Convicts, it will depend on the opinion of
the Judges who try them, what number of them it may be
proper to confine in the Panopticon: it is impossible to ascertain
with accuracy the number to which they may amount:
but I incline to think it would be very inexpedient to move
such Persons from the country Gaols, unless the crowded state
of those Gaols should render it absolutely necessary: for it
would naturally tend — not only to check that spirit of improvement,
which now so universally prevails, in the several
Counties.



Identifier: | JB/116/400/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 116.

Date_1

1799-10-14

Marginal Summary Numbering

Box

116

Main Headings

panopticon versus new south wales

Folio number

400

Info in main headings field

establishment encreased a pretence for crushing

Image

001

Titles

Category

collectanea

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

d14 / f41

Penner

Watermarks

Marginals

Paper Producer

Corrections

jeremy bentham

Paper Produced in Year

Notes public

see note to letter 1514, vol. 6

ID Number

37933

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