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<head>1819 July 1</head> <!-- in pencil --> <p>To Erskine<lb/> (3)</p> <p>But the Catholics, Sir &#x2014; in this self-acting democracy<lb/> as you call it what was the choice the Catholics had? <!-- deleted in pencil --> [<del>and then<lb/> the Monarchy and the Aristocracy - would you have had them<lb/>sacrificed?</del>] My Lord, <del>I</del> it would be unpardonable for me to <del>do t</del><lb/> attempt detaining your Lordship by any such enquiry. <add>indeed my own eyes do not <sic>admitt</sic> of it.</add> To the purpose<lb/> of the argument it makes no differences. Of the Volunteers such<lb/>as they were the <del>lowest</del> <unclear>lower</unclear> the very lowest orders must have composed<lb/> the majority.  When by the suppression <add>extinction</add> of Volunteers and reform<lb/>peace and goodwill towards <!--  brackets in pencil -->[all] men was suppressed <add>expelled</add>, and discord<lb/> and ill will [among all men] <add>put on them</add> took place Protestants under<lb/>the name of <del><gap/></del> Orange men and [Peep of day boys?] <add> I forget what other names</add> openly<lb/>professed <add>pledged themselves for</add> extermination proceeded largely in the fulfilment of their <add> the redeeming of this/such their pledge</add><lb/> <del>to</del> and Catholics had they been Devils could <add>not</add> have done <del>no more</del> <add>much</add><lb/>more <add>worse</add> nor afforded stronger presumption of a disposition unfit <add>to those whose interest</add><lb/> <del>to have any part in Government</del> <add>it is to pretend to see in the lower orders a radical and incurable incapacity</add><lb/>for bearing any part in quiet government. All there is <add>may</add> <lb/><add> be seen</add> in Plowden: but as to quotations or even references <del>the</del> no room<lb/>can there be for them here.</p> <!-- margin additions in pencil --> <p><note><sic>Ult</sic><lb/> <sic>Lett.</sic> 7 Whigs Anti Reformists<lb/> &sect; 5 <gap/> Why</note></p> <p><note>or 10<lb/> E. But what share<lb/> had the Catholics?</note></p> <p><note>or 11<lb/> J.B. <del><gap/></del> Since the<lb/> Volunteers the great majority<lb/> were of the lowest<lb/> orders, this matters not:<lb/> and eyes forbid the<lb/> enquiry.</note></p> <p><note>or 12<lb/>When by suppression<lb/> of Volunteers and<lb/> reform, peace and<lb/> good will were suppressed<lb/> discord and ill will<lb/> substituted. Catholics<lb/> had they been Devils<lb/>could not have been<lb/>worse than so many<lb/> Protestants of whose<lb/>barbarities extermination<lb/> of the Catholics<lb/> was the avowed object.</note></p> 






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1819 July 1

To Erskine
(3)

But the Catholics, Sir — in this self-acting democracy
as you call it what was the choice the Catholics had? [and then
the Monarchy and the Aristocracy - would you have had them
sacrificed?
] My Lord, I it would be unpardonable for me to do t
attempt detaining your Lordship by any such enquiry. indeed my own eyes do not admitt of it. To the purpose
of the argument it makes no differences. Of the Volunteers such
as they were the lowest lower the very lowest orders must have composed
the majority. When by the suppression extinction of Volunteers and reform
peace and goodwill towards [all] men was suppressed expelled, and discord
and ill will [among all men] put on them took place Protestants under
the name of Orange men and [Peep of day boys?] I forget what other names openly
professed pledged themselves for extermination proceeded largely in the fulfilment of their the redeeming of this/such their pledge
to and Catholics had they been Devils could not have done no more much
more worse nor afforded stronger presumption of a disposition unfit to those whose interest
to have any part in Government it is to pretend to see in the lower orders a radical and incurable incapacity
for bearing any part in quiet government. All there is may
be seen in Plowden: but as to quotations or even references the no room
can there be for them here.

Ult
Lett. 7 Whigs Anti Reformists
§ 5 Why

or 10
E. But what share
had the Catholics?

or 11
J.B. Since the
Volunteers the great majority
were of the lowest
orders, this matters not:
and eyes forbid the
enquiry.

or 12
When by suppression
of Volunteers and
reform, peace and
good will were suppressed
discord and ill will
substituted. Catholics
had they been Devils
could not have been
worse than so many
Protestants of whose
barbarities extermination
of the Catholics
was the avowed object.




Identifier: | JB/137/014/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 137.

Date_1

1819-07-01

Marginal Summary Numbering

or 10 - or 12

Box

137

Main Headings

parliamentary reform

Folio number

014

Info in main headings field

to erskine

Image

001

Titles

Category

text sheet

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

c3

Penner

jeremy bentham

Watermarks

[[watermarks::[prince of wales feathers] i&m 1818]]

Marginals

jeremy bentham

Paper Producer

arthur wellesley, duke of wellington

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

1818

Notes public

ID Number

46731

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