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<head>1819 July</head> <!-- in pencil --> <p> To Erskine (D)<lb/> (6)<lb/> <!-- lower down the page --> (1)</p> <!-- paragraph appears to be an addition --><p>As for <add>instead of extinction</add> a change of Kings I <del>look</del> leave it to the Whigs to brag of <del> a worl</del> <add>a Whig who when a time is come for looking fierce,</add><lb/><add>he has <gap/> a change which would do more harm than good</add> <gap/> <gap/> for making it in a case which can never happen.  I am sure I know not<lb/>of that man <add>thing</add> upon earth for whom I would change the King we have, <gap/> than men <add>Lords</add> upon<lb/> <gap/> for whom I would change the Lords we have.  I should <add>rather</add> have said also have us.</p> <p>Seeing these things, Your Lordship sees my reason for wishing<lb/>not to see either Monarch or House of Lords put down.  But <add>these reasons</add> Your<lb/> Lordship sees the whole of them: for I know not of any others.<lb/>These reasons abstracted to speak <add>speaking</add> of Monarchy of Monarchic-Aristocracy <!-- start of section crossed out in pencil --> in classical language borrowed of Earl Grey for in any<lb/>language of my own I should be ashamed so to speak of any thing<lb/>then any body had <add>been</add> approved by any body I will say that the<lb/>notice of its <!-- addition in pencil, then text outside crossed out area --> <add>as</add> being at this Day any thing better than an encumbrance<lb/> is <!-- start of pencil line surrounding text --> altered, visionary and senseless.  The language Your<lb/>Lordship will be pleased to observe is classical language borrowed<lb/>from Lord Grey, <del>and</del> <add>language</add> to borrow Your allusion <add>an insinuation</add> from Your Lordship<lb/>delicacy, <add> presented as</add> and by him at a Fox dinner and <hi rend="underline">after</hi> dinner: <del>for</del> <add>to speak in <unclear>terrible</unclear> imitation of Your Lordship</add><lb/><add>I must give the merit of the language to the noble owner, for</add><lb/><del>in any language of my own</del> <add>being but a poor Commoner</add> I should be ashamed to so to speak<lb/>of any thing that had <del><gap/></del> ever been approved by any body: and<lb/>even when thus <add>it has been</add> consecrated incorrectly as I am, it is not without hesitation<lb/>that I could suffer to flow from my pen a sort of language<lb/>which <del>pref</del> when it <del>professes</del> <add><del>declares</del> proclaims contempt <gap/> and <gap/></add> <del>irrevocable</del> contempt, shuts <del>the door</del><lb/><del>of argument</del> <add>own inexorable door</add> in the very teeth of reason.  I beg Your Lordships<lb/>pardon: convey back to my own <add>insipid</add> language I call the notion<lb/><!-- end of pencil surrounded area --> a mere theory, contradicted by all experience, and therefore an<lb/>ungrounded <del><gap/></del> and untenable one.</p> <!-- marginal notes in pencil -->  <p><note><sic>Ult<hi rend="superscript">o</hi></sic><lb/> <sic>Lett.</sic>7 Whigs Anti Reformists<lb/>&sect; 5 <foreign>Posit</foreign> Why <gap/>?</note></p> <p><note>or 20 or 8<lb/>Above are all the<lb/> reasons for not putting<lb/>down Monarchy and<lb/> Aristocracy.  Abstractedly<lb/> from the mischief of<lb/><gap/> established<lb/><gap/> the nature<lb/> of them being any thing<lb/> better than an encumbrance<lb/> is<add>(as <gap/> )</add> <gap/><lb/> <gap/> and senseless.<lb/> <add> (as per J.B.)</add><lb/>contradicted by all<lb/> experience, therefore<lb/> ungrounded and untenable.</note></p> <p><note>or 21 or 9<lb/> Change of King.<lb/>I leave to a Whig,<lb/> who when a time is<lb/> come for looking fierce<lb/>is for making a change<lb/> which would do much<lb/> harm and no good,<lb/> in a case which can<lb/> never happen.</note></p> <p><note>No thing, <add>My Lord</add> is when<lb/> I would change those<lb/> we have, or rather who<lb/> have us</note></p>    
<head>1819 July</head> <!-- in pencil --> <p> To Erskine<lb/>
(6)</p>


<!-- paragraph appears to be an addition --><p>(2)<lb/>
As for <add>instead of extinction</add> a change of Kings I <del>look</del> leave it to the Whigs to brag of <del> a worl</del> <add>a Whig who when a time is come for looking fierce,</add><lb/>
<add>he has <del><gap/></del> a change which would do more harm than good</add><lb/>
<gap/> <gap/> for making it in a case which can never happen. I am sure I know not<lb/>
of that man <add>thing</add> upon earth for whom I would change the King we have, <gap/> than men <add>Lords</add> upon<lb/>
earth for whom I would change the Lords we have. I should <add>rather</add> have said also have us.</p>


<p>(1)<lb/>
Seeing these things, Your Lordship sees my reason for wishing<lb/>
not to see either Monarch or House of Lords put down. But <add>these reasons</add> Your<lb/>
Lordship sees the whole of them: for I know not of any others.<lb/>
These reasons abstracted to speak <add>speaking</add> of Monarchy of Monarchic-Aristocracy <!-- start of section crossed out in pencil --> in classical language borrowed of Earl Grey for in any<lb/>
language of my own I should be ashamed so to speak of any thing<lb/>
then any body had <add>been</add> approved by any body I will say that the<lb/>
notice of its <!-- addition in pencil, then text outside crossed out area --> <add>as</add> being at this Day any thing better than an encumbrance<lb/>
is <!-- start of pencil line surrounding text --> absurd, visionary and senseless. The language Your<lb/>
Lordship will be pleased to observe is classical language borrowed<lb/>
from Lord Grey, <del>and</del> <add>language</add> to borrow Your allusion <add>an insinuation</add> from Your Lordship<lb/>
delicacy, <add> presented as</add> and by him at a Fox dinner and <hi rend="underline">after</hi> dinner: <del>for</del> <add>to speak in humble imitation of Your Lordship</add><lb/>
<add>I must give the merit of the language to the noble owner, for</add><lb/>
<del>in any language of my own</del> <add>being but a poor Commoner</add> I should be ashamed to so to speak<lb/>
of any thing that had <del><gap/></del> ever been approved by any body: and<lb/>
even when thus <add>it has been</add> consecrated incorrectly as I am, it is not without hesitation<lb/>
that I could suffer to flow from my pen a sort of language<lb/>
which <del>pref</del> when it <del>professes</del> <add><del>declares</del> proclaims contempt infinite and irremissible </add> <del>irrevocable</del> contempt, shuts <del>the door</del><lb/>
<del>of argument</del> <add>own inexorable door</add> in the very teeth of reason. I beg Your Lordships<lb/>
pardon: convey back to my own <add>insipid</add> language I call the notion<lb/>
<!-- end of pencil surrounded area --> a mere theory, contradicted by all experience, and therefore an<lb/>
ungrounded <del><gap/></del> and untenable one.</p>
<!-- marginal notes in pencil --> <p><note><sic>Ult<hi rend="superscript">o</hi></sic><lb/>
<sic>Lett.</sic>7 Whigs Anti Reformists<lb/>
&sect; 5 <foreign>Posit</foreign> Why <unclear>Excellence</unclear>?</note></p>
<p><note>or 20 or 8<lb/>
Above are all the<lb/>
reasons for not putting<lb/>
down Monarchy and<lb/>
Aristocracy. Abstractedly<lb/>
from the mischief of<lb/>
changing established<lb/>
institutions the nature<lb/>
of them being any thing<lb/>
better than an encumbrance<lb/>
is <add>(as per Grey )</add> absurd<lb/>
visionary and senseless.<lb/>
<add> (as per J.B.)</add><lb/>
contradicted by all<lb/>
experience, therefore<lb/>
ungrounded and untenable.</note></p>
<p><note>or 21 or 9<lb/>
Change of King.<lb/>
I leave to a Whig,<lb/>
who when a time is<lb/>
come for looking fierce<lb/>
is for making a change<lb/>
which would do much<lb/>
harm and no good,<lb/>
in a case which can<lb/>
never happen.</note></p>
<p><note>No thing, <add>My Lord</add> is when<lb/>
I would change those<lb/>
we have, or rather who<lb/>
have us</note></p>


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1819 July

To Erskine
(6)

(2)
As for instead of extinction a change of Kings I look leave it to the Whigs to brag of a worl a Whig who when a time is come for looking fierce,
he has a change which would do more harm than good
for making it in a case which can never happen. I am sure I know not
of that man thing upon earth for whom I would change the King we have, than men Lords upon
earth for whom I would change the Lords we have. I should rather have said also have us.

(1)
Seeing these things, Your Lordship sees my reason for wishing
not to see either Monarch or House of Lords put down. But these reasons Your
Lordship sees the whole of them: for I know not of any others.
These reasons abstracted to speak speaking of Monarchy of Monarchic-Aristocracy in classical language borrowed of Earl Grey for in any
language of my own I should be ashamed so to speak of any thing
then any body had been approved by any body I will say that the
notice of its as being at this Day any thing better than an encumbrance
is absurd, visionary and senseless. The language Your
Lordship will be pleased to observe is classical language borrowed
from Lord Grey, and language to borrow Your allusion an insinuation from Your Lordship
delicacy, presented as and by him at a Fox dinner and after dinner: for to speak in humble imitation of Your Lordship
I must give the merit of the language to the noble owner, for
in any language of my own being but a poor Commoner I should be ashamed to so to speak
of any thing that had ever been approved by any body: and
even when thus it has been consecrated incorrectly as I am, it is not without hesitation
that I could suffer to flow from my pen a sort of language
which pref when it professes declares proclaims contempt infinite and irremissible irrevocable contempt, shuts the door
of argument own inexorable door in the very teeth of reason. I beg Your Lordships
pardon: convey back to my own insipid language I call the notion
a mere theory, contradicted by all experience, and therefore an
ungrounded and untenable one.

Ulto
Lett.7 Whigs Anti Reformists
§ 5 Posit Why Excellence?

or 20 or 8
Above are all the
reasons for not putting
down Monarchy and
Aristocracy. Abstractedly
from the mischief of
changing established
institutions the nature
of them being any thing
better than an encumbrance
is (as per Grey ) absurd
visionary and senseless.
(as per J.B.)
contradicted by all
experience, therefore
ungrounded and untenable.

or 21 or 9
Change of King.
I leave to a Whig,
who when a time is
come for looking fierce
is for making a change
which would do much
harm and no good,
in a case which can
never happen.

No thing, My Lord is when
I would change those
we have, or rather who
have us



Identifier: | JB/137/017/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 137.

Date_1

1819-07

Marginal Summary Numbering

or 20 or 8 - or 21 or 9

Box

137

Main Headings

parliamentary reform

Folio number

017

Info in main headings field

to erskine

Image

001

Titles

Category

text sheet

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

c6

Penner

jeremy bentham

Watermarks

Marginals

jeremy bentham

Paper Producer

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

Notes public

ID Number

46734

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