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<!-- heading and marginal notes in pencil --> <head>1820 <sic>Feb.</sic> 21<lb/>Radicalism not dangerous</head> <p>2 <note><sic>ult<hi rend="superscript">o</hi></sic><lb/>III Experience<lb/>II Ireland</note><lb/>2 <note>&sect;.1. Analogy between the causes</note></p> <p><note>3<lb/>So in Ireland, time<lb/>sufficient for experiment<lb/>democratic ascendency<lb/>maintained by the effect<lb/>of <sic>rad.</sic> reform.  Good<lb/>effects, <del>p</del> negative and<lb/>positive the same.</note></p> <p>In the case of Ireland, we shall see a case exactly <add>still more closely</add> in<lb/>point &#x2014; for a length of time quite sufficient for experiment &#x2014;<lb/>quite sufficient for <add>the support of</add> every inference &#x2014; <add>we shall see</add> democratic ascendency<lb/><del> democratic ascendency <gap/> <gap/></del> <add>established and maintaining itself: maintaining itself &#x2014;</add> not indeed <del>by the</del> under<lb/>the name of parliamentary reform <add>&#x2014; radical parliamentary reform &#x2014;</add> <del>but by the effectual <gap/</del><lb/><add>but, what is more, with the essential</add> characters of it.  So much for the cause of the effects enquired<lb/>after: as to the effects <add>themselves, they will be found still in their nature</add> <del>effects against the <gap/> <gap/> <gap/>,</del> <lb/><add>the same</add> as in the case of the United States: <del>the same in the nature</del><lb/>&#x2014; subversion of the rights of property, none; subversion<lb/>of the Constitution none. <del><gap/></del> <add> Thus much</add> for the <add>merely</add> negative effects: <hi rend="superscript">[+]</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">[+]</hi> as touching these<lb/>negative effects, we<lb/>shall find the case<lb/>of Ireland merely<lb/>equal to that of the<lb/>United States, since<lb/>beyond <sic>compleat</sic> negation<lb?>there is nothing.</note><lb/><del>for the negative or positive</del> <add>Look now to the positive effects here on the side of Ireland we shall<lb/>find a brilliant superiority:</add> the <del>C</del> aggregate mass of felicity<lb/>exalted to a pitch <del><gap/.</del> unknown before or since:<lb/>public <del>fel</del> and private <hi rend="underline">felicity</hi>, and as at once a cause and<lb/>consequence of it, public and private <hi rend="underline">virtue</hi>.</p> <p><note>4<lb/>Negative good effect<lb/>none &#x2014; subversion of the<lb/>Constitution &#x2014; peculiar<lb/>to Ireland.  In U.S.<lb/>matchless, <sic>mixt</sic> Constitution<lb/>was subverted<lb/>Democracy substituted<lb/>Consequence, see above<lb/>Of English institutions<lb/>the <del>good</del> bad dropped<lb/>off, the good stuck<lb/>on &#x2014; more vigorous<lb/>than in England.</note></p>  
<!-- heading and marginal notes in pencil --> <head>1820 <sic>Feb.</sic> 21<lb/>Radicalism not dangerous</head> <p>2 <note><sic>ult<hi rend="superscript">o</hi></sic><lb/>III Experience<lb/>II Ireland</note><lb/>2 <note>&sect;.1. Analogy between the causes</note></p> <p><note>3<lb/>So in Ireland, time<lb/>sufficient for experiment<lb/>democratic ascendency<lb/>maintained by the effect<lb/>of <sic>rad.</sic> reform.  Good<lb/>effects, <del>p</del> negative and<lb/>positive the same.</note></p> <p>In the case of Ireland, we shall see a case exactly <add>still more closely</add> in<lb/>point &#x2014; for a length of time quite sufficient for experiment &#x2014;<lb/>quite sufficient for <add>the support of</add> every inference &#x2014; <add>we shall see</add> democratic ascendency<lb/><del> democratic ascendency maintained,</del> <add>established and maintaining itself: maintaining itself &#x2014;</add> not indeed <del>by the</del> under<lb/>the name of parliamentary reform <add>&#x2014; radical parliamentary reform &#x2014;</add> <del>but by the effectual <gap/></del><lb/><add>but, what is more, with the essential</add> characters of it.  So much for the cause of the effects enquired<lb/>after: as to the effects <add>themselves, they will be found still in their nature</add> <del>effects against the <gap/> <gap/> <gap/>,</del> <lb/><add>the same</add> as in the case of the United States: <del>the same in the nature</del><lb/>&#x2014; subversion of the rights of property, none; subversion<lb/>of the Constitution none. <del><gap/></del> <add> Thus much</add> for the <add>merely</add> negative effects: <hi rend="superscript">[+]</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">[+]</hi> as touching these<lb/>negative effects, we<lb/>shall find the case <add><del><gap/></del></add><lb/>of Ireland merely<lb/>equal to that of the<lb/>United States, since<lb/>beyond <sic>compleat</sic> negation<lb/>there is nothing.</note><lb/><del>for the negative or positive</del> <add>Look now to the positive effects here on the side of Ireland we shall<lb/>find a brilliant superiority:</add> the <del>C</del> aggregate mass of felicity<lb/>exalted to a pitch <del>unknow</del> unknown before or since:<lb/>public <del>fel</del> and private <hi rend="underline">felicity</hi>, and as at once a cause and<lb/>consequence of it, public and private <hi rend="underline">virtue</hi>.</p> <p><note>4<lb/>Negative good effect<lb/>none &#x2014; subversion of the<lb/>Constitution &#x2014; peculiar<lb/>to Ireland.  In U.S.<lb/>matchless, <sic>mixt</sic> Constitution<lb/>was subverted<lb/>Democracy substituted<lb/>Consequences, see above<lb/>Of English institutions<lb/>the <del>good</del> bad dropped<lb/>off, the good stuck<lb/>on &#x2014; more vigorous<lb/>than in England.</note></p> <p>As to <del>subversion</del> <add>non-subversion</add> of the Constitution, this, though among<lb/>the effects of democratical ascendency in the case<lb/>of Ireland, <del>was</del> can not, it must be confessed, be numbered<lb/>among the effects of democracy &#x2014; pure democracy &#x2014;<lb/>in the case of the United States.  <del>Thus</del> In that case, it<lb/>must be confessed, the Constitution <del>the</del> <add>&#x2014; the antecedently</add> existing Constitution &#x2014; the <sic>mixt</sic>-Monarchical Constitution <add>&#x2014; the Matchless Constitution</add> was subverted.  Monarchy &#x2014;<lb/><sic>mixt</sic> <del>Monarchy</del> <add>Monarachy &#x2014; </add> <hi rend="underline">was</hi> subverted democracy &#x2014; pure<lb/>democracy &#x2014; <hi rend="underline">was</hi> set up in the room of it..  Well &#x2014; and the<lb/>consequences &#x2014; what were they?! those which we have just been<lb/>seeing.  "English Institutions" &#x2014; what <add>then</add> became of them?  Those<lb/>that were <add>and are bad, either dropped off of themselves or were cast</add> off: those that were and are good<lb/>were preserved: <del>were</del> preserved, and in a state of vigour and<lb/>purity, <unclear>alas! how unknown</unclear> in <del>England</del> <add> the country which gave them birth <hi rend="superscript">[+]</hi></add></p> <p><note><hi rend="superscript">[+]</hi> <add>In the United States</add> Juries unpacked, unpackable,<lb/>unabolishable: in<lb/>England, in some instances<lb/>habitually packed; in all<lb/>packable; <add>and</add> if not packable<lb/>with <sic>compleat</sic> effect, at any<lb/>time abolished, and <add><del>in such instances</del></add><lb/><del>already threatened <gap/> <gap/></del> <add>abolishable in some instances</add><lb/><!-- continues along the edge of the page --> <del><gap/></del> and <add>ever and anon</add> threatened to be abolished in all instances.  Means of communication <add>in all shapes</add> for reform in all shapes <add> for imprisonment in all shapes,</add> in that <add>freely</add> United States, free as air: in the forcibly United Kingdoms, cramped, curtailed.</note></p>   






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1820 Feb. 21
Radicalism not dangerous

2 ulto
III Experience
II Ireland

2 §.1. Analogy between the causes

3
So in Ireland, time
sufficient for experiment
democratic ascendency
maintained by the effect
of rad. reform. Good
effects, p negative and
positive the same.

In the case of Ireland, we shall see a case exactly still more closely in
point — for a length of time quite sufficient for experiment —
quite sufficient for the support of every inference — we shall see democratic ascendency
democratic ascendency maintained, established and maintaining itself: maintaining itself — not indeed by the under
the name of parliamentary reform — radical parliamentary reform — but by the effectual
but, what is more, with the essential characters of it. So much for the cause of the effects enquired
after: as to the effects themselves, they will be found still in their nature effects against the ,
the same as in the case of the United States: the same in the nature
— subversion of the rights of property, none; subversion
of the Constitution none. Thus much for the merely negative effects: [+] [+] as touching these
negative effects, we
shall find the case
of Ireland merely
equal to that of the
United States, since
beyond compleat negation
there is nothing.

for the negative or positive Look now to the positive effects here on the side of Ireland we shall
find a brilliant superiority:
the C aggregate mass of felicity
exalted to a pitch unknow unknown before or since:
public fel and private felicity, and as at once a cause and
consequence of it, public and private virtue.

4
Negative good effect
none — subversion of the
Constitution — peculiar
to Ireland. In U.S.
matchless, mixt Constitution
was subverted
Democracy substituted
Consequences, see above
Of English institutions
the good bad dropped
off, the good stuck
on — more vigorous
than in England.

As to subversion non-subversion of the Constitution, this, though among
the effects of democratical ascendency in the case
of Ireland, was can not, it must be confessed, be numbered
among the effects of democracy — pure democracy —
in the case of the United States. Thus In that case, it
must be confessed, the Constitution the — the antecedently existing Constitution — the mixt-Monarchical Constitution — the Matchless Constitution was subverted. Monarchy —
mixt Monarchy Monarachy — was subverted democracy — pure
democracy — was set up in the room of it.. Well — and the
consequences — what were they?! those which we have just been
seeing. "English Institutions" — what then became of them? Those
that were and are bad, either dropped off of themselves or were cast off: those that were and are good
were preserved: were preserved, and in a state of vigour and
purity, alas! how unknown in England the country which gave them birth [+]

[+] In the United States Juries unpacked, unpackable,
unabolishable: in
England, in some instances
habitually packed; in all
packable; and if not packable
with compleat effect, at any
time abolished, and in such instances
already threatened abolishable in some instances
and ever and anon threatened to be abolished in all instances. Means of communication in all shapes for reform in all shapes for imprisonment in all shapes, in that freely United States, free as air: in the forcibly United Kingdoms, cramped, curtailed.




Identifier: | JB/137/162/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 137.

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1820-02-21

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137

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radicalism not dangerous

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162

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