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<head><sic>Panopt.</sic>  J.B. to Holford Chairman of the <sic>Penitent<hi rend="superscript">y</hi> Comm'ee</sic><lb/>29 Mar. 1811.<lb/>Letter 1</head> <p>Sir In part answer to Abercromby's Paper of the Queries.<lb/>1  Building Contract now impracticable</p> <p>A <del>memorandum</del> <add>written intimation</add> with which I was <del>obligingly furnished</del> <add>favoured</add> together<lb/><del>with what I have been able to bear in mind of what passed at</del><lb/>with most recollections as I have been able to preserve of what passed<lb/>at the Committee <del>during</del> in the course of my Examination on <add>Wednesday</add><lb/><del>the Committee</del> <add>last</add>, have suggested <add>to me</add> the propriety of <del>such</del> taking this method<lb/>of <del>stating</del> <add>bringing to view</add> some <add><del>incidents</del></add> matters of fact <del>which perhaps may be found</del> <add>the nature of which I am inclined</add><lb/><del><unclear>on my</unclear> side the demand for my immediate attendance.  What</del> <add>to hope will for that day at least be found <del>in attendance</del> to supersede</add><lb/><del>not</del> <add>the demand for my personal attendance.  Whatever</add> be the time which it may occupy a reading will I trust<lb/>be found less than what would be requisite i.e. the <add><del>to what end <gap/></del></add> committing<hi rend="superscript">⊞</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">⊞</hi> to papers during the<lb/>sitting of the Committee<lb/><del>in</del></note><lb/><del>some</del> <add>in equal</add> quantity of matter <del>to writing in the way of <gap/> and</del> <add>if delivered in the shape<lb/><foreign>viva voce</foreign>. <del>from voices <gap/></del></add><hi rend="superscript">⊞2</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">⊞2</hi> and <unclear>unpresumptive</unclear><lb/><del><gap/> <gap/></del> <add>statements together with</add><lb/>the questions and <del>the</del> explanations that<lb/>would <del>naturally</del> necessarily<lb/>come out of a<lb/>mode of communication<lb/>so ill adapted<lb/>to the nature of the case.</note></p>
<head><sic>Panopt.</sic>  J.B. to Holford Chairman of the <sic>Penitent<hi rend="superscript">y</hi> Comm'ee</sic><lb/>29 Mar. 1811.<lb/>Letter 1</head> <p>Sir In part answer to Abercromby's Paper of the Queries.<lb/>1  Building Contract now impracticable</p> <p>A <del>memorandum</del> <add>written intimation</add> with which I was <del>obligingly furnished</del> <add>favoured</add> together<lb/><del>with what I have been able to bear in mind of what passed at</del><lb/>with most recollections as I have been able to preserve of what passed<lb/>at the Committee <del>during</del> in the course of my Examination on <add>Wednesday</add><lb/><del>the Committee</del> <add>last</add>, have suggested <add>to me</add> the propriety of <del>such</del> taking this method<lb/>of <del>stating</del> <add>bringing to view</add> some <add><del>incidents</del></add> matters of fact <del>which perhaps may be found</del> <add>the nature of which I am inclined</add><lb/><del><unclear>on my</unclear> side the demand for my immediate attendance.  What</del> <add>to hope will for that day at least be found <del>in attendance</del> to supersede</add><lb/><del>not</del> <add>the demand for my personal attendance.  Whatever</add> be the time which it may occupy in reading will I trust<lb/>be found less than what would be requisite to the <add><del>to what end <gap/></del></add> committing<hi rend="superscript">⊞</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">⊞</hi> to papers during the<lb/>sitting of the Committee<lb/><del>in</del></note><lb/><del>some</del> <add>an equal</add> quantity of matter <del>to writing in the way of question and</del> <add>if delivered in the shape<lb/><foreign>viva voce</foreign>. <del>from viva vo</del></add><hi rend="superscript">⊞2</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">⊞2</hi> and <unclear>unpresumptive</unclear><lb/><del><gap/> <gap/></del> <add>statements together with</add><lb/><add>the questions and</add> <del>the</del> explanations that<lb/>would <del>naturally</del> necessarily<lb/>arise out of a<lb/>mode of communication<lb/>so ill adapted<lb/>to the nature of the case.</note></p> <p>1.  Question:  "Can you state the terms on which you would now<lb/>undertake the building <del>and superintendence</del> <add>.....</add> of a Penitentiary House"<lb/>&amp;c.</p> <!-- brackets and deletions in pencil --><p>Answer:  What concerns the building I could not <hi rend="underline">now</hi><lb/>undertake <add>at my own risk in point of <sic>expence</sic></add> on any terms.  [<del>There is no limited sum, or at<lb/>least none which after the <add>such</add> terms as were once agreed upon, I<lb/>could expect to be granted to me &#x2014; there is therefore I may say,<lb/>no <add><sic>proposable</sic></add> limited sum at which I would <add>could</add> now charge myself with<lb/>the <sic>expence</sic> of erecting any such building.]  [The incidents that<lb/>have put it out of my power are as follows.</del>]  1.  In respect of the<lb/>details of the construction I myself having no <add>professional</add> acquaintance with the<lb/>subject,<hi rend="superscript">⊞2</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">⊞2</hi> and my own attention<lb/>being necessarily devoted<lb/>to other parts of the<lb/>business</note> <del>I depended</del> <add>my <del>confidence</del> dependence was</add> altogether upon my Brother, (<del>the</del> <add>(<del>Admiral</del> General Samuel Bentham</add> now Commissioner<lb/>of the Navy), with whom the general idea of central inspection<lb/><del>had originated</del> <add>together with the system of mechanical inventions by which employment</add> [<del>and with the benefit of whose advise it</del><lb/><del>has since been carried into execution <hi rend="underline">at Peters Court</hi>.  1. In</del> <add>was to be found for such of the Prisoners as could not be employed in <del>trades</del> works there, and whose</add><lb/><del>respect of life</del> <add>had been accustomed to, had originated:  and whose life interest in the <unclear>common</unclear><lb/><del>interest in the common uses</del> was</add> according to the terms agreed upon<hi rend="superscript">†</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">†</hi> Finance Committee 179<del>6 </del>7 or 8. <unclear>Sep</unclear>. 28'<lb/>Draught of Contract</note> <del>was</del> <add>made</add> to succeed mine.<lb/>He is at present <add>stationed</add> at <sic>Edinborough,</sic> <del>has been</del> <add>or Sheerness: – his time</add> altogether engrossed <add>as I understand</add> by urgent<lb/>official business.  In respect of prices of materials and <del>instruments</del> <add>labour,</add><hi rend="superscript">⊞3</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">⊞3</hi> and the assurance of<lb/>no unnecessary enhancement<lb/>by sinister<lb/>professional interest,</note> <add>his</add> he<lb/>and <del>I both depended</del> <add>my dependence was</add> upon a most ingenious as well as trustworthy<lb/>man, <del>a M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi> Bunce,</del> <add>at that time</add> Architect to the Naval works, a M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi> Bunce,<lb/> who is since dead. <add><del>two years ago M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi> Bunce died.</del></add>  It had <add>been</add> settled by me with <del>M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi></del> <add>him, and</add><lb/>
<p>1.  Question:  Can you state the terms on which you would now<lb/>undertake the building <del>and superintendence</del> <add>.....</add> of a Penitentiary House<lb/>
<del>Bunce</del> to his perfect satisfaction that whatsoever remuneration he was<lb/>to <del>have</del> <add>receive</add> for his part in the business should be <del>in the shape of an</del> <add>not in the usual shape</add><lb/><del>not as usual upon</del> <add>of</add> a per centage in the expenditure, <del>but of an <add>in the shape</add></del><lb/><sic>encreasing</sic> consequently with the expenditure, but in the shape of an<lb/>Annuity</p>
&amp;c.</p> <!-- brackets and deletions in pencil --><p>Answer:  What concerns the building I could not <hi rend="underline">now</hi><lb/>undertake <add>at my own risk in point of expence</add> on any terms.  [<del>There is no limited sum, or at<lb/>least none which after the <add>such</add> terms as were once agreed upon, I<lb/>could expect to be granted to me &#x2014; there is therefore I may say,<lb/>no <add><sic>proposable</sic></add> limited sum at which I would <add>could</add> now charge myself with<lb/>the <sic>expence</sic> of erecting any such building.]  [The incidents that<lb/>have put it out of my power are as follows.</del>]  1.  In respect of the<lb/>details of the construction I myself having no <add>professional</add> acquaintance with the<lb/>subject,<hi rend="superscript">⊞2</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">⊞2</hi> and my own attention<lb/>being necessarily devoted<lb/>to other parts of the<lb/>business</note> <del>I depended</del> <add>my <del>confidence</del> dependence was</add> altogether upon my Brother, (<del>the</del> <add>(General Samuel <del>Admiral</del> Bentham</add> now Commissioner<lb/>of the Navy), with whom the general idea of central inspection<lb/><del>had originated</del> <add>together with the system of mechanical inventions by which employment</add> [<del>and with the benefit of whose advise it</del><lb/><del>has since been carried into execution <hi rend="underline">at Peters Court</hi>.  1. In</del> <add>was to be found for such of the Prisoners as could not be employed in <del>trades</del> works there, and whose</add><lb/><del>respect of life</del> <add>had been accustomed to, had originated:  and whose life interest in the convict <del>interest in the convict was</del> was</add> according to the terms agreed upon<hi rend="superscript">†</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">†</hi> Finance Committee 179<del>6 </del>7 or 8. <unclear>Sep</unclear>. 28'<lb/>Draught of Contract</note> <del>was</del> <add>made</add> to succeed mine.<lb/>He is at present <add>stationed</add> at <sic>Edinborough,</sic> <del>has been</del> <add>or Sheerness: – his time</add> altogether engrossed <add>as I understand</add> by urgent<lb/>official business.  In respect of prices of materials and <del>instruments</del> <add>labour,</add><hi rend="superscript">⊞3</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">⊞3</hi> and the assurance of<lb/>no unnecessary enhancement<lb/>by sinister<lb/>professional interest,</note> <add>his</add> he<lb/>and <del>I both depended</del> <add>my dependence was</add> upon a most ingenious as well as trustworthy<lb/>man, <del>a M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi> Brown,</del> <add>at that time</add> Architect to the Naval works, a M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi> <unclear>Burns</unclear>,<lb/> who is since dead. <add><del>two years ago M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi> Burns died.</del</add>  It had <add>been</add> settled by me with <del>M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi></del> <add>him, and</add><lb/>
<del>Burns</del> to his perfect satisfaction that whatsoever remuneration he was<lb/>to <del>have</del> <add>receive</add> for his part in the business should be <del>in the shape of an</del> <add>not in the usual shape</add><lb/><del>not as usual upon</del> <add>of</add> a <del>for</del> <sic>centage</sic> in the expenditure, <del>but of an <add>in the shape</add></del><lb/><sic>encreasing</sic> consequently with the expenditure, but in the shape of an<lb/>Annuity</p>




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Panopt. J.B. to Holford Chairman of the Penitenty Comm'ee
29 Mar. 1811.
Letter 1

Sir In part answer to Abercromby's Paper of the Queries.
1 Building Contract now impracticable

A memorandum written intimation with which I was obligingly furnished favoured together
with what I have been able to bear in mind of what passed at
with most recollections as I have been able to preserve of what passed
at the Committee during in the course of my Examination on Wednesday
the Committee last, have suggested to me the propriety of such taking this method
of stating bringing to view some incidents matters of fact which perhaps may be found the nature of which I am inclined
on my side the demand for my immediate attendance. What to hope will for that day at least be found in attendance to supersede
not the demand for my personal attendance. Whatever be the time which it may occupy in reading will I trust
be found less than what would be requisite to the to what end committing to papers during the
sitting of the Committee
in

some an equal quantity of matter to writing in the way of question and if delivered in the shape
viva voce. from viva vo
⊞2 ⊞2 and unpresumptive
statements together with
the questions and the explanations that
would naturally necessarily
arise out of a
mode of communication
so ill adapted
to the nature of the case.

1. Question: "Can you state the terms on which you would now
undertake the building and superintendence ..... of a Penitentiary House"
&c.

Answer: What concerns the building I could not now
undertake at my own risk in point of expence on any terms. [There is no limited sum, or at
least none which after the such terms as were once agreed upon, I
could expect to be granted to me — there is therefore I may say,
no proposable limited sum at which I would could now charge myself with
the expence of erecting any such building.] [The incidents that
have put it out of my power are as follows.
] 1. In respect of the
details of the construction I myself having no professional acquaintance with the
subject,⊞2 ⊞2 and my own attention
being necessarily devoted
to other parts of the
business
I depended my confidence dependence was altogether upon my Brother, (the (Admiral General Samuel Bentham now Commissioner
of the Navy), with whom the general idea of central inspection
had originated together with the system of mechanical inventions by which employment [and with the benefit of whose advise it
has since been carried into execution at Peters Court. 1. In was to be found for such of the Prisoners as could not be employed in trades works there, and whose
respect of life had been accustomed to, had originated: and whose life interest in the common
interest in the common uses was
according to the terms agreed upon Finance Committee 1796 7 or 8. Sep. 28'
Draught of Contract
was made to succeed mine.
He is at present stationed at Edinborough, has been or Sheerness: – his time altogether engrossed as I understand by urgent
official business. In respect of prices of materials and instruments labour,⊞3 ⊞3 and the assurance of
no unnecessary enhancement
by sinister
professional interest,
his he
and I both depended my dependence was upon a most ingenious as well as trustworthy
man, a Mr Bunce, at that time Architect to the Naval works, a Mr Bunce,
who is since dead. two years ago Mr Bunce died. It had been settled by me with Mr him, and
Bunce to his perfect satisfaction that whatsoever remuneration he was
to have receive for his part in the business should be in the shape of an not in the usual shape
not as usual upon of a per centage in the expenditure, but of an in the shape
encreasing consequently with the expenditure, but in the shape of an
Annuity



Identifier: | JB/117/328/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 117.

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1811-03-29

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117

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panopticon

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328

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panopt. jb to holford chairman of the penitenty committee

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001

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correspondence

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1

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recto

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Penner

jeremy bentham

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letter 2106, vol. 8

ID Number

38945

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