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<p>I hope Honourable Gentlemen will not insist in precluding<lb/>
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themselves from the possibiity of seeing the agreed-on number<lb/>
 
provided for <del>in the Penitentiary Ho Establishment</del> <add>in this plan,</add> even<lb/>
 
though by themselves it should be ever so much approved.<hi rend="superscript">⊞</hi> <note><hi rend="superscript">⊞</hi> In good faith is there<lb/>
 
any thing so mischievous<lb/>
or so odious, or<lb/>
in economy if economy<lb/>
be adverse, any thing<lb/>
so much <del>preferable</del> <add>superior</add> to<lb/>
good faith, that gentlemen<lb/>
should make<lb/>
a point of rendering<lb/>
in keeping of <del><gap/></del> <add>good faith</add> impossible?<lb/>
This is<lb/>
what <del>I can not be</del><lb/>
on the part of any<lb/>
Honourable Gentlemen<lb/>
I can <del>not</del> <add>more</add> believe,<lb/>
till I have <del>seen it</del> <add>had no <unclear>mortification</unclear></add><lb/>
of seeing it<lb/>
from his <add><del>own</del></add> pen, in <del>hand</del><lb/>
<add>hearing</add> if from his <del>is all</del> <add>own lips.</add></note><lb/>
<del>I myself my own wish it would probably be <add>had been</add>, when the <gap/><lb/>
time came, not to introduce</del> <add>As to the introducing <del>the which</del></add> the whole number all at once,<lb/>
<del>when the time for <unclear>opening</unclear> comes, it</del> what seems probable to me<lb/>
is that when the time for opening comes it is more than I myself should venture at.</p>
<p><del>What <gap/> these would <gap/> introduce at once <add>What the <gap/> <gap/> number that you would</add></del><lb/>
"What then" (it may be said) is the number you would introduce at once? – <del>To<lb/>
<add>his way</add></del>  <add>My answer is – that</add> at this distance from the time of notice, <add>the fixation of</add> a firm number<lb/>
<del>does</del> <add>would</add> not, in my humble view of the matter, <add>be</add> consistent<lb/>
with the rules of human procedure.  The building <del>up</del> <add>being erected,</add> and<lb/>
the circumstances of the <unclear>terms</unclear> <add>observed and</add> considered, there would be<lb/>
the time for fixing upon the <add>first</add> number.  Thus for the first experiment:<lb/>
the experiment succeeding, <del>to</del> <add>then it would be thus</add> in proportion to the degree<lb/>
of confidence indicated by experience, the number would be<lb/>
enlarged.</p>
<p>Seven hundred <add>is that which</add> seems to be the greatest number of<lb/>
<hi rend="underline">male</hi> prisoners, the existence of which, under one roof and<lb/>
one system of Inspection, <del>could</del> <add>seemed</add>  in the eyes of the Honourable<lb/>
Gentlemen in question capable of being endorsed:  400 <add>is</add> the<lb/>
number, <del>by</del> <add>to the idea of</add> which in the same <del>conception the greatest</del> <add>minds a greater</add><lb/>
<unclear>portion</unclear> of satisfaction, <del>are</del> <add>seems to be</add> attached.  Let them then take<lb/>
either number, or any intermediate number, at pleasure.<lb/>
Let them fix for me to <del><gap/></del> <add>time</add> of probation:  let them say<lb/>
<add>and cause it to be <gap/>,</add> that till the expiration of tis probationary time, the probationary<lb/>
numbers <add>shall not be exceeded.</add>  Let them do this or any thing <del><gap/></del> else that<lb/>
to them seems reasonable and necessary, rather than <del>to</del> secure<lb/>
to themselves the regret of seeing <del><gap/></del> 300 or 600 prisoners<lb/>
precluded from the possibility of <del>doing the</del> being provided for <del>as</del> <add>upon</add> a<lb/>
<del>the manner</del> <add><del>in</del> plan,</add> which, <del>even now</del> <add>by the supposition</add> they do not <add>even now</add> disapprove, and <del><gap/></del> <add>the</add><lb/>
utility and security of which will, by the same supposition, have been<lb/>
demonstrated by experience:</p>
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I hope Honourable Gentlemen will not insist in precluding
themselves from the possibiity of seeing the agreed-on number
provided for in the Penitentiary Ho Establishment in this plan, even
though by themselves it should be ever so much approved. In good faith is there
any thing so mischievous
or so odious, or
in economy if economy
be adverse, any thing
so much preferable superior to
good faith, that gentlemen
should make
a point of rendering
in keeping of good faith impossible?
This is
what I can not be
on the part of any
Honourable Gentlemen
I can not more believe,
till I have seen it had no mortification
of seeing it
from his own pen, in hand
hearing if from his is all own lips.

I myself my own wish it would probably be had been, when the
time came, not to introduce
As to the introducing the which the whole number all at once,
when the time for opening comes, it what seems probable to me
is that when the time for opening comes it is more than I myself should venture at.

What these would introduce at once What the number that you would
"What then" (it may be said) is the number you would introduce at once? – To
his way
My answer is – that at this distance from the time of notice, the fixation of a firm number
does would not, in my humble view of the matter, be consistent
with the rules of human procedure. The building up being erected, and
the circumstances of the terms observed and considered, there would be
the time for fixing upon the first number. Thus for the first experiment:
the experiment succeeding, to then it would be thus in proportion to the degree
of confidence indicated by experience, the number would be
enlarged.

Seven hundred is that which seems to be the greatest number of
male prisoners, the existence of which, under one roof and
one system of Inspection, could seemed in the eyes of the Honourable
Gentlemen in question capable of being endorsed: 400 is the
number, by to the idea of which in the same conception the greatest minds a greater
portion of satisfaction, are seems to be attached. Let them then take
either number, or any intermediate number, at pleasure.
Let them fix for me to time of probation: let them say
and cause it to be , that till the expiration of tis probationary time, the probationary
numbers shall not be exceeded. Let them do this or any thing else that
to them seems reasonable and necessary, rather than to secure
to themselves the regret of seeing 300 or 600 prisoners
precluded from the possibility of doing the being provided for as upon a
the manner in plan, which, even now by the supposition they do not even now disapprove, and the
utility and security of which will, by the same supposition, have been
demonstrated by experience:


Identifier: | JB/117/349/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 117.

Date_1

Marginal Summary Numbering

21-23

Box

117

Main Headings

panopticon

Folio number

349

Info in main headings field

letter ii females

Image

001

Titles

Category

correspondence

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

f8

Penner

jeremy bentham

Watermarks

th 1806

Marginals

jeremy bentham

Paper Producer

andre morellet

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

1806

Notes public

letter 2110, vol. 8

ID Number

38966

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