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<p>Shall a Jew draw an ox or an ass out of a pit<lb/>
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that day, and a Christian not draw a christian<lb/>
 
out of prison.  Answer me, O ye <add>who are full of</add> of much faith and little reason in whom bigotry supplies the place of <add>reason.</add></p>
 
<p>5*<lb/>
 
From the exclusive<lb/>
adoption of the<lb/>
geographical<lb/>
principle of<lb/>
demarcation<lb/>
results the<lb/>
principle or<lb/>
maxim of <hi rend="underline">universal competence</hi>.</p>
<p>6<del>*</del><lb/>
And as between<lb/>
territory and<lb/>
territory, the<lb/>
principle of<lb/>
preponderant<lb/>
convenience.</p>
<p><gap/><lb/>
I.  Reasons &amp;<lb/>
necessity for<lb/>
demarcation</p>
<p>4<lb/>
II  Geographical<lb/>
principle the<lb/>
natural one</p>
<p>III  Artificial ones<lb/>
all superfluous</p>
<p>IV  Metaphysical<lb/>
its <unclear>inconveniences</unclear></p>
<p>V  Pecuniary a<lb/>
modification of<lb/>
the metaphysical<lb/>
– its peculiar<lb/>
inconveniences</p>
<p>VI  <del>Satisf</del> Extent<lb/>
of the area of<lb/>
jurisdiction &amp;<lb/>
seat of the Court</p>
<p>VII.  Origin of the<lb/>
metaphysical</p>
<p>VIII  Origin of the<lb/>
summary.</p>
<pb/>
<p><head>Necessity</head></p>
<p>1<lb/>
Demarcation necessary<lb/>
– why<lb/>
1. One Court has<lb/>
not time for all<lb/>
2. Saving travelling<lb/>
charges.  p.1*</p>
<p>2<lb/>
Two principles<lb/>
of demarcation<lb/>
1. Geographical.<lb/>
2. Metaphysical.<lb/>
p.1*<lb/>
3. Pecuniary <del>an<lb/>
appendage</del> <add>modification</add> of the<lb/>
metaphysical</p>
<p>3<lb/>
The geographical<lb/>
is necessary<lb/>
1. to save travelling<lb/>
charges</p>
<p>4<lb/>
2. Not to deny justice<lb/>
absolutely in<lb/>
cases where there is<lb/>
no time for travelling<lb/>
to a distance.</p>
<p>5<lb/>
It is the most perfect<lb/>
that can be<lb/>
desired leaving no<lb/>
room for doubt<lb/>
difficulty or mistake.<lb/>
p.1*</p>
<pb/>
<p><head>Metaph.</head></p>
<p>6<lb/>
Metaphysical<lb/>
except in <add>the</add> tribunals<lb/>
of exception has<lb/>
no advantages.  p.2</p>
<p>7<lb/>
Its disadvantages<lb/>
1. Space <add>in the law</add> it takes<lb/>
up to delineate.  p.1.</p>
<p>8<lb/>
2. Uncertainty that<lb/>
attends the determination<lb/>
– hence litigation<lb/>
&amp; more laws.<lb/>
p.1</p>
<p>9<lb/>
3. The theory of<lb/>
competence being<lb/>
thus made a <gap/><lb/>
<unclear>suitors</unclear> are drawn<lb/>
away from Courts<lb/>
&amp; into the arms of lawyers.<lb/>
p.2.</p>
<p>10<lb/>
4. The more <add>sorts</add> of<lb/>
these tribunals of<lb/>
exception there are<lb/>
the fewer there will<lb/>
be of a sort.  Hence the<lb/>
more extensive<lb/>
<del>there</del> <add>the</add> territorial<lb/>
extent of each &amp;<lb/>
the further the suitor<lb/>
has to go for that<lb/>
branch of justice.</p>
<p>11<lb/>
Take a Department<lb/>
of nine districts<lb/>
divide the jurisdiction<lb/>
metaphysically,<lb/>
the suitors have the<lb/>
area of a department<lb/>
to traverse upon<lb/>
every occasion –<lb/>
divide it geographically<lb/>
<del><gap/></del> the area of a district.</p>
<pb/>
<p>12<lb/>
5.  When the<lb/>
metaphysical<lb/>
area of jurisdiction<lb/>
is too narrow to<lb/>
fill up the whole<lb/>
time of a Judge, or<lb/>
set or Judges there<lb/>
is so much time<lb/>
paid for for nothing.<lb/>
p.2</p>
<p>13<lb/>
Pretended advantage<lb/>
of the metaphysical.<lb/>
The Judge understands<lb/>
the business<lb/>
the better.<lb/>
Answer No such<lb/>
thing – The Advocate<lb/>
must understand<lb/>
the whole – The<lb/>
subject is bound<lb/>
&amp; supposed to understand<lb/>
the whole.<lb/>
Though this should<lb/>
hold good under<lb/>
Common Law,<lb/>
it will not under<lb/>
Statute.  p.2.</p>
<p><head>England</head></p>
<p><del>There are several</del> <add>Numerous are</add><lb/>
<del><gap/></del> <add>the</add> contrivances<lb/>
for denying justice<lb/>
as well as<lb/>
<add>for</add> <unclear>causing</unclear> justice<lb/>
to fail, and the<lb/>
English law has<lb/>
not left unemployed<lb/>
any one of them unemployed.</p>
<pb/>
<p><head>Pecuniary</head></p>
<p>14<lb/>
Pecuniary<lb/>
principle of demarcation<lb/>
– supposition<lb/>
it grounds<lb/>
itself upon.</p>
<p>15<lb/>
Its <add>has all</add> disadvantages<lb/>
<del>in</del> <add>of</add> the <del>same</del> <add>metaphysical</add><lb/>
<del>with additional</del> <add>at</add><lb/>
large in an<lb/>
augmented degree.</p>
<p>16<lb/>
In the use <add>application</add> that<lb/>
has been made<lb/>
<del>by</del> of it, it has<lb/>
been made productive<lb/>
of the effect of <del>denying</del><lb/>
excluding a great<lb/>
many causes<lb/>
from the benefit<lb/>
of appeal</p>
<p><head>Importance</head></p>
<p>17<lb/>
Origin of this<lb/>
application, a<lb/>
false notion of<lb/>
the measure of<lb/>
<hi rend="underline">importance</hi> in<lb/>
causes.</p>
<p>18<lb/>
True measure<lb/>
of importance<lb/>
1. Multitude of<lb/>
the persons concerned.</p>
<p>2. Ratio of the<lb/>
same in question<lb/>
to <del><gap/></del> the income<lb/>
of the man in question.<lb/>
p.7.</p>
<pb/>
<p><head>Importance</head></p>
<p>19<lb/>
Reference to <add>title of</add> <hi rend="underline">Appeal</hi><lb/>
for the process that<lb/>
the occasions for appeal<lb/>
are diminished<lb/>
by the <gap/><lb/>
of the same.</p>
<p>20<lb/>
The <add>standard</add> measure assumed<lb/>
is the reverse<lb/>
of the <unclear>true</unclear>.</p>
<p>21<lb/>
Causes of the adoption<lb/>
of the false measures.<lb/>
1. Rapacity of lawyers.<lb/>
p.9.</p>
<p>22.<lb/>
2. Prevalence of<lb/>
aristocratical notions.</p>
<p>23<lb/>
To the disdain of poor<lb/>
men's causes we owe<lb/>
in England the only<lb/>
Courts which follow<lb/>
the natural or domestic<lb/>
system of procedure.<lb/>
p.9.</p>
<p><del>Reasons for</del><lb/>
24<lb/>
Causes of the prevalence<lb/>
of the metaphysical<lb/>
principle<lb/>
1. Simplicity is always<lb/>
the last resort.<lb/>
The difficulties attending<lb/>
it were not apparent<lb/>
at first sight.<lb/>
p.17, 19.</p>
<p>25<lb/>
2. The <del><gap/></del> poert og <lb/>
of the Barons under the<lb/>
feudal law <gap/> <add>the Clergy</add><lb/>
<gap/> to <unclear>uniformity</unclear>.<lb/>
p.17</p>
<p>26<lb/>
The natural disposition<lb/>
to put into<lb/>
new hands new <del>rights</del><lb/>
created or discovered<lb/>
rights &amp; remedies where<lb/>
the old ones were <gap/><lb/>
so unpopular.</p>
<pb/>
<p><head>Appeal</head></p>
<p><del>No cause ought<lb/>
to be re</del></p>
<p><head>Qua</head></p>
<p>1<lb/>
Smallness of value<lb/>
is no sufficient<lb/>
<del>cause</del> <add>ground</add> for refusing<lb/>
to any cause the<lb/>
benefit of appeal</p>
<p><head>Qua</head></p>
<p>2<lb/>
Reasons that have<lb/>
been alledged for<lb/>
refusing <add>it</add> that<lb/>
benefit.<lb/>
1. <add>Remedy</add> Not worth the<lb/>
expence.</p>
<p><head>Qua</head></p>
<p>3<lb/>
Answer.  <del>That</del> The<lb/>
proper course to<lb/>
take is to reduce<lb/>
the expence by<lb/>
striking off all the<lb/>
artificial part.</p>
<p><head>Qua</head></p>
<p>4<lb/>
As to the natural<lb/>
&amp; <gap/> part<lb/>
it may be left<lb/>
to the option of the<lb/>
party concerned,<lb/>
proper measures<lb/>
being taken for<lb/>
preventing vexation.<lb/>
Limits p.14, 15</p>
<p><head>Intercommunity – Uses</head></p>
<p>1. Supplying <add>occasional</add> with<lb/>
an irreproachable<lb/>
Judge, a Judge<lb/>
rendered by accident<lb/>
reproachable.<lb/>
2. Favouring the<lb/>
<hi rend="underline">end</hi> of division<lb/>
viz. vicinity.<lb/>
3. Emulation.</p>
<p>26<lb/>
Reference to Accomodation<lb/>
offices<lb/>
for examples</p>
<pb/>
<p><head>Extent</head></p>
<p>27<lb/>
<add>Least</add> Extent proper<lb/>
for the area<lb/>
of a Court.<lb/>
1. As much as<lb/>
contains inhabitants<lb/>
enough<lb/>
to find constant<lb/>
occupation for<lb/>
<del>one Judge</del> the<lb/>
Court.</p>
<p>28<lb/>
Greatest extent<lb/>
of an area of<lb/>
a Court of immediate<lb/>
jurisdiction.<lb/>
Space which a<lb/>
man can traverse<lb/>
and back again<lb/>
in a day.</p>
<p><del>This is less <gap/></del><lb/>
29<lb/>
The reducing it<lb/>
to this scantling<lb/>
is less material<lb/>
in the case of<lb/>
an Appeal than<lb/>
in that of an immediate<lb/>
Court,<lb/>
because <del>non-</del> attendance<lb/>
is not<lb/>
so necessary, being<lb/>
supplied by written<lb/>
instructions, accompanying<lb/>
the Record. <del><gap/> Appeals<lb/>
p.8.</del></p>
<pb/>
<p><head>Seat</head></p>
<p>30<lb/>
Seat of the Court<lb/>
1. Centrality.<lb/>
2. Populousness<lb/>
1. that the greatest<lb/>
number of the people<lb/>
may have the least<lb/>
far to travel –<lb/>
2. that it may<lb/>
have the best public.</p>
<p><head>Tribunals of Exception –<lb/>
main Reasons for</head></p>
<p>I, II  Military &amp;<lb/>
Navy<lb/>
1. Justiciables are <add>liable</add><lb/>
to be <unclear>seat</unclear> of the <gap/><lb/>
of the ordinary Courts.<lb/>
2. Punishment must<lb/>
in many cases follow<lb/>
instantly upon delinquency.</p>
<p>III  Private Sea-Service<lb/>
Justiciables out of<lb/>
the reach of the<lb/>
ordinary Courts</p>
<p>IV.  Ecclesiastical<lb/>
Courts<lb/>
Peculiar <add>sort of</add> intelligence<lb/>
necessary</p>
<p>V.  Representative<lb/>
bodies.<lb/>
Instant punishment necessary</p>
<pb/>
<p>1.  Multitude of<lb/>
Courts – thence<lb/>
certain of balance.<lb/>
2. <gap/><lb/>
of Laws<lb/>
3. <unclear>Conflict</unclear> of Jurisdiction<lb/>
hence<lb/>
uncertainty<lb/>
4. Difficulty of<lb/>
knowing what<lb/>
Court to resort<lb/>
to – hence measuring<lb/>
lawyers.<lb/>
Any man that<lb/>
<unclear>blacks</unclear> then can<lb/>
fall upon.</p>
<p><head>Limits</head></p>
<p>1. <del><add>For divers</add> It must be<lb/>
carried</del></p>
<p><head>Multiplication</head></p>
<p>Judges must<lb/>
be multiplied<lb/>
till there are Judges<lb/>
enough for all the<lb/>
business that would<lb/>
be brought before<lb/>
them were there<lb/>
ever so many.<lb/>
For <del>as</del> of any<lb/>
business were excluded<lb/>
there would<lb/>
be no saying what<lb/>
a man might suffer<lb/>
from the want of it.<lb/>
To give a man rights<lb/>
with one hand &amp;<lb/>
deny him remedy<lb/>
is mockery.  You cannot<lb/>
draw the line<lb/>
anywhere.  You<lb/>
can extend a single<lb/>
right.  If you exclude<lb/>
any you<lb/>
must exclude all<lb/>
indiscriminately.</p>
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Shall a Jew draw an ox or an ass out of a pit
that day, and a Christian not draw a christian
out of prison. Answer me, O ye who are full of of much faith and little reason in whom bigotry supplies the place of reason.

5*
From the exclusive
adoption of the
geographical
principle of
demarcation
results the
principle or
maxim of universal competence.

6*
And as between
territory and
territory, the
principle of
preponderant
convenience.


I. Reasons &
necessity for
demarcation

4
II Geographical
principle the
natural one

III Artificial ones
all superfluous

IV Metaphysical
its inconveniences

V Pecuniary a
modification of
the metaphysical
– its peculiar
inconveniences

VI Satisf Extent
of the area of
jurisdiction &
seat of the Court

VII. Origin of the
metaphysical

VIII Origin of the
summary.


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Necessity

1
Demarcation necessary
– why
1. One Court has
not time for all
2. Saving travelling
charges. p.1*

2
Two principles
of demarcation
1. Geographical.
2. Metaphysical.
p.1*
3. Pecuniary an
appendage
modification of the
metaphysical

3
The geographical
is necessary
1. to save travelling
charges

4
2. Not to deny justice
absolutely in
cases where there is
no time for travelling
to a distance.

5
It is the most perfect
that can be
desired leaving no
room for doubt
difficulty or mistake.
p.1*


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Metaph.

6
Metaphysical
except in the tribunals
of exception has
no advantages. p.2

7
Its disadvantages
1. Space in the law it takes
up to delineate. p.1.

8
2. Uncertainty that
attends the determination
– hence litigation
& more laws.
p.1

9
3. The theory of
competence being
thus made a
suitors are drawn
away from Courts
& into the arms of lawyers.
p.2.

10
4. The more sorts of
these tribunals of
exception there are
the fewer there will
be of a sort. Hence the
more extensive
there the territorial
extent of each &
the further the suitor
has to go for that
branch of justice.

11
Take a Department
of nine districts
divide the jurisdiction
metaphysically,
the suitors have the
area of a department
to traverse upon
every occasion –
divide it geographically
the area of a district.


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12
5. When the
metaphysical
area of jurisdiction
is too narrow to
fill up the whole
time of a Judge, or
set or Judges there
is so much time
paid for for nothing.
p.2

13
Pretended advantage
of the metaphysical.
The Judge understands
the business
the better.
Answer No such
thing – The Advocate
must understand
the whole – The
subject is bound
& supposed to understand
the whole.
Though this should
hold good under
Common Law,
it will not under
Statute. p.2.

England

There are several Numerous are
the contrivances
for denying justice
as well as
for causing justice
to fail, and the
English law has
not left unemployed
any one of them unemployed.


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Pecuniary

14
Pecuniary
principle of demarcation
– supposition
it grounds
itself upon.

15
Its has all disadvantages
in of the same metaphysical
with additional at
large in an
augmented degree.

16
In the use application that
has been made
by of it, it has
been made productive
of the effect of denying
excluding a great
many causes
from the benefit
of appeal

Importance

17
Origin of this
application, a
false notion of
the measure of
importance in
causes.

18
True measure
of importance
1. Multitude of
the persons concerned.

2. Ratio of the
same in question
to the income
of the man in question.
p.7.


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Importance

19
Reference to title of Appeal
for the process that
the occasions for appeal
are diminished
by the
of the same.

20
The standard measure assumed
is the reverse
of the true.

21
Causes of the adoption
of the false measures.
1. Rapacity of lawyers.
p.9.

22.
2. Prevalence of
aristocratical notions.

23
To the disdain of poor
men's causes we owe
in England the only
Courts which follow
the natural or domestic
system of procedure.
p.9.

Reasons for
24
Causes of the prevalence
of the metaphysical
principle
1. Simplicity is always
the last resort.
The difficulties attending
it were not apparent
at first sight.
p.17, 19.

25
2. The poert og
of the Barons under the
feudal law the Clergy
to uniformity.
p.17

26
The natural disposition
to put into
new hands new rights
created or discovered
rights & remedies where
the old ones were
so unpopular.


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Appeal

No cause ought
to be re

Qua

1
Smallness of value
is no sufficient
cause ground for refusing
to any cause the
benefit of appeal

Qua

2
Reasons that have
been alledged for
refusing it that
benefit.
1. Remedy Not worth the
expence.

Qua

3
Answer. That The
proper course to
take is to reduce
the expence by
striking off all the
artificial part.

Qua

4
As to the natural
& part
it may be left
to the option of the
party concerned,
proper measures
being taken for
preventing vexation.
Limits p.14, 15

Intercommunity – Uses

1. Supplying occasional with
an irreproachable
Judge, a Judge
rendered by accident
reproachable.
2. Favouring the
end of division
viz. vicinity.
3. Emulation.

26
Reference to Accomodation
offices
for examples


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Extent

27
Least Extent proper
for the area
of a Court.
1. As much as
contains inhabitants
enough
to find constant
occupation for
one Judge the
Court.

28
Greatest extent
of an area of
a Court of immediate
jurisdiction.
Space which a
man can traverse
and back again
in a day.

This is less
29
The reducing it
to this scantling
is less material
in the case of
an Appeal than
in that of an immediate
Court,
because non- attendance
is not
so necessary, being
supplied by written
instructions, accompanying
the Record. Appeals
p.8.


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Seat

30
Seat of the Court
1. Centrality.
2. Populousness
1. that the greatest
number of the people
may have the least
far to travel –
2. that it may
have the best public.

Tribunals of Exception –
main Reasons for

I, II Military &
Navy
1. Justiciables are liable
to be seat of the
of the ordinary Courts.
2. Punishment must
in many cases follow
instantly upon delinquency.

III Private Sea-Service
Justiciables out of
the reach of the
ordinary Courts

IV. Ecclesiastical
Courts
Peculiar sort of intelligence
necessary

V. Representative
bodies.
Instant punishment necessary


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1. Multitude of
Courts – thence
certain of balance.
2.
of Laws
3. Conflict of Jurisdiction
hence
uncertainty
4. Difficulty of
knowing what
Court to resort
to – hence measuring
lawyers.
Any man that
blacks then can
fall upon.

Limits

1. For divers It must be
carried

Multiplication

Judges must
be multiplied
till there are Judges
enough for all the
business that would
be brought before
them were there
ever so many.
For as of any
business were excluded
there would
be no saying what
a man might suffer
from the want of it.
To give a man rights
with one hand &
deny him remedy
is mockery. You cannot
draw the line
anywhere. You
can extend a single
right. If you exclude
any you
must exclude all
indiscriminately.


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Date_1

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5*, 6*, 1-26, 1-4, 27-30

Box

051

Main Headings

evidence; procedure code

Folio number

060

Info in main headings field

demarcation brouillon contents

Image

002

Titles

Category

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Number of Pages

3

Recto/Verso

recto

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Penner

jeremy bentham

Watermarks

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Marginals

Paper Producer

benjamin constant

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

Notes public

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