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<head>1<lb/>
Ir. Educ.</head>
<p>1<lb/>
<del>All</del> Living language <lb/>
ought to have the <lb/>
preference over the <lb/>
dead.</p>
2<lb/>
<p>The French ought to <lb/>
have the preference <lb/>
over every other language.</p>
<p>1. We are most connected <lb/>
with that country</p>
<p>2. The language is that <lb/>
which has the best <lb/>
things written in it</p>
<p>3. It is now the language <lb/>
of liberty.</p>
<p>3 <lb/>
The German ought <lb/>
to have the preference <lb/>
next to the French.</p>
<p>1. It requires teaching <lb/>
more than any other <lb/>
after the French - <del>After</del> <lb/>
The French, the Italian<lb/>
Spanish &amp; Portuguese <lb/>
may be learnt without <lb/>
teaching.</p>
<p>2. It forms one of <lb/>
the main roots of our <lb/>
own language</p>
<p>3. It has after the <lb/>
French the most useful <lb/>
things written <lb/>
in it.</p>
<p>We have no ancient <lb/>
Greeks and Romans <lb/>
to talk to, and we <lb/>
are not the worse for <lb/>
it. French &amp; Germans <lb/>
we have</p>
<p>The peculiar beauties <lb/>
of these tongues we <lb/>
can not be supposed to <lb/>
have a true relish for <note>may admire as <unclear>excellences</unclear></note><lb/>
what are <unclear>owing</unclear> them <lb/>
<gap/> as blemishes <add>we</add><lb/></p>
<pb/>


<head>Latin &amp; Greek</head>
<head>Latin &amp; Greek</head>
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the gallows.</p>  
the gallows.</p>  
<p>4. Are full of obsenity.</p>  
<p>4. Are full of obsenity.</p>  
<p>5. Teach inferior eloquence.</p>
<p>5. Teach inferior <lb/>
eloquence.</p>
<p>6. Teach irrelevant <lb/>
<p>6. Teach irrelevant <lb/>
eloquence</p>  
eloquence</p>  
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<p>2. To learn <hi rend="underline">things</hi><lb/>
<p>2. To learn <hi rend="underline">things</hi><lb/>
which we could  not<lb/>
which we could  not<lb/>
<gap/> so well learn otherwise.</p>  
<unclear>very</unclear> well learn otherwise.]</p>  
<p>While men are <lb/>
<p>While men are <lb/>
acquiring <del>false</del> <lb/>
acquiring <del>false</del> <lb/>
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false ideas <lb/>
false ideas <lb/>
of things.</p>  
of things.</p>  
&#x2014;
 
<note>may advise a <unclear>excellences</unclear></note><pb/>
<pb/>
Sciences Advantages 1. They present always something new to be discovered- DEad languages possess such no such advantage. 2. What is discovered in them, many of them, others besides discovere  reader At the publick expense men ought to be taught nothing but what is really useful - what is agreeable, they will proportion as it is agreeable teach themselves. Nothing is worth reading in Greek or Latin that would not be worth reading had it been written in English. But you have in English whatever is worth reading in Greek or Latin. Poetry- no more reason for teaching it than Chess or Cards. As to the metre it is upon a level with punning As to the imagery its characteristic is to give false   view of things- either obscure or exaggerated - Exactness, viz: truths is acknowledged to be the  ane of poetry.  
<head>Sciences</head>
<head>Advantages</head>
<p>1. They present <lb/>
always something <add>new</add> to <lb/>
be discovered- <lb/>
Dead languages <lb/>
possess <del>such</del> no such <lb/>
advantage.</p>
<p>2. What is discovered <lb/>
in them, many of <lb/>
them, others besides the]<lb/>
discoverer &amp; reader are the better]</p>
<p>At the public <lb/>
expense men ought <lb/>
to be taught nothing <lb/>
but what is really <lb/>
<hi rend="underline">useful</hi> - what is <lb/>
agreeable, they will <lb/>
in proportion as it <lb/>
is agreeable teach <lb/>
themselves.</p>
<p>Nothing is worth <lb/>
reading in Greek <lb/>
or Latin that would <lb/>
not be worth reading <lb/>
had it been <lb/>
written in English. <lb/>
But you actually<lb/>
have in English <lb/>
whatever is worth <lb/>
reading in Greek <lb/>
or Latin.</p>
<p>Poetry- no more <lb/>
reason for teaching <lb/>
it than Chess or <lb/>
Cards.</p>
<p>As to the metre <lb/>
it is upon a level <lb/>
with <unclear><hi rend="underline">punning</hi></unclear><lb/>
As to the imagery <lb/>
its characteristic <lb/>
is to give false <del><gap/></del><lb/>
views of things- <lb/>
either obscure or <lb/>
exaggerated -</p>
<p>Exactness, i:e: truths <lb/>
is acknowledged to be <lb/>
the <unclear>bane</unclear> of poetry.</p><pb/>
 
<p>Poetry when printing <lb/>
was unknown <lb/>
and even writing <lb/>
uncommon had <lb/>
one use which it <lb/>
has not now. It <lb/>
served as a vehicle <lb/>
for history and <lb/>
for laws.  But <lb/>
in this point of <lb/>
view Grays's <gap/> <lb/>
<gap/> is a great <lb/>
improvement on it.</p>
<p>No Latin or Greek <lb/>
poetry is either <lb/>
so agreeable or so <lb/>
useful as what may <lb/>
be met with in English <lb/>
poetry.</p>
<p>No other English <lb/>
Poetry is more <lb/>
agreeable than dramatic <lb/>
poetry and <lb/>
novels: none so <lb/>
useful as good <lb/>
dramatic poetry <lb/>
and good novels.  <lb/>
But neither <del><gap/></del> dramatic <lb/>
poetry nor <lb/>
novels have any <lb/>
occasion to be taught.</p>
<p>If Latin and<lb/>
Greek are taught <lb/>
they ought to be <lb/>
taught only in a <lb/>
<hi rend="underline">Selection</hi>.</p><pb/>
<p>Fashion only is <lb/>
what makes Latin <lb/>
and Greek be regarded <lb/>
as necessary. Men <lb/>
learn them, <add>only</add> because<lb/>
it is a disgrace to <lb/>
be ignorant of them.</p>
<p>The gravest and <lb/>
most orthodox among <lb/>
us are afraid of <lb/>
making the lower <lb/>
classes of the people <lb/>
too much  in earnest <lb/>
about Religion <lb/>
where they are<lb/>
they are <unclear>stolid</unclear> fanatics:<lb/>
witness the <lb/>
Methodists. Zeal <lb/>
alone without any <lb/>
peculiar tenets is <lb/>
enough to make <lb/>
what is called a <lb/>
Methodist.</p>
<p>Learning Latin <lb/>
&amp; Greek morality <lb/>
&amp;c we learn a <lb/>
great deal which <lb/>
puzzles &amp; confines<lb/>
us - which we <lb/>
cannot apply but <lb/>
to  <unclear>over <gap/></unclear> in the <lb/>
state in which we <lb/>
receive it, and <lb/>
which we are obliged <lb/>
to  <unclear>unlearn</unclear><lb/>
more or less.</p>
<p>Latin &amp; Greek  <lb/>
have the preminence <lb/>
already in <lb/>
the old establishments. <lb/>
If the new system is <lb/>
inferior the old have <lb/>
nothing to apprehend <lb/>
from it: if superior <lb/>
they may copy it</p><pb/>
 
 


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1
Ir. Educ.

1
All Living language
ought to have the
preference over the
dead.

2

The French ought to
have the preference
over every other language.

1. We are most connected
with that country

2. The language is that
which has the best
things written in it

3. It is now the language
of liberty.

3
The German ought
to have the preference
next to the French.

1. It requires teaching
more than any other
after the French - After
The French, the Italian
Spanish & Portuguese
may be learnt without
teaching.

2. It forms one of
the main roots of our
own language

3. It has after the
French the most useful
things written
in it.

We have no ancient
Greeks and Romans
to talk to, and we
are not the worse for
it. French & Germans
we have

The peculiar beauties
of these tongues we
can not be supposed to
have a true relish for may admire as excellences
what are owing them
as blemishes we


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Latin & Greek

As we do without
the knowledge of
the German, so might
we without that of
the Latin & Greek
More words in our
language are not
derived from the
latter than from
the former

Disadvantages

12 Bad Morality

1. Love of war

2. Veneration of
bad political
institutions

3. Teach vices which
we punish with
the gallows.

4. Are full of obsenity.

5. Teach inferior
eloquence.

6. Teach irrelevant
eloquence

7. Teach false
natural philosophy
and natural
history

The use of languages
other than our own are
1. To converse with
men with whom we
would not converse
otherwise

2. To learn things
which we could not
very well learn otherwise.]

While men are
acquiring false
words, they are acquiring
false ideas
of things.


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Sciences Advantages

1. They present
always something new to
be discovered-
Dead languages
possess such no such
advantage.

2. What is discovered
in them, many of
them, others besides the]
discoverer & reader are the better]

At the public
expense men ought
to be taught nothing
but what is really
useful - what is
agreeable, they will
in proportion as it
is agreeable teach
themselves.

Nothing is worth
reading in Greek
or Latin that would
not be worth reading
had it been
written in English.
But you actually
have in English
whatever is worth
reading in Greek
or Latin.

Poetry- no more
reason for teaching
it than Chess or
Cards.

As to the metre
it is upon a level
with punning
As to the imagery
its characteristic
is to give false
views of things-
either obscure or
exaggerated -

Exactness, i:e: truths
is acknowledged to be
the bane of poetry.


---page break---

Poetry when printing
was unknown
and even writing
uncommon had
one use which it
has not now. It
served as a vehicle
for history and
for laws. But
in this point of
view Grays's
is a great
improvement on it.

No Latin or Greek
poetry is either
so agreeable or so
useful as what may
be met with in English
poetry.

No other English
Poetry is more
agreeable than dramatic
poetry and
novels: none so
useful as good
dramatic poetry
and good novels.
But neither dramatic
poetry nor
novels have any
occasion to be taught.

If Latin and
Greek are taught
they ought to be
taught only in a
Selection.


---page break---

Fashion only is
what makes Latin
and Greek be regarded
as necessary. Men
learn them, only because
it is a disgrace to
be ignorant of them.

The gravest and
most orthodox among
us are afraid of
making the lower
classes of the people
too much in earnest
about Religion
where they are
they are stolid fanatics:
witness the
Methodists. Zeal
alone without any
peculiar tenets is
enough to make
what is called a
Methodist.

Learning Latin
& Greek morality
&c we learn a
great deal which
puzzles & confines
us - which we
cannot apply but
to over in the
state in which we
receive it, and
which we are obliged
to unlearn
more or less.

Latin & Greek
have the preminence
already in
the old establishments.
If the new system is
inferior the old have
nothing to apprehend
from it: if superior
they may copy it


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Identifier: | JB/106/076/003"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 106.

Date_1

Marginal Summary Numbering

Box

106

Main Headings

Folio number

076

Info in main headings field

ir. educ.

Image

003

Titles

final objects / legenda / catholicism establishment of questions / latin & greek / sciences

Category

plan

Number of Pages

2

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

fi

Penner

jeremy bentham

Watermarks

[[watermarks::l munn [britannia emblem]]]

Marginals

Paper Producer

benjamin constant

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

Notes public

ID Number

34664

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