JB/120/013/003: Difference between revisions

Transcribe Bentham: A Collaborative Initiative

From Transcribe Bentham: Transcription Desk

Find a new page on our Untranscribed Manuscripts list.

JB/120/013/003: Difference between revisions

Ohsoldgirl (talk | contribs)
No edit summary
BenthamBot (talk | contribs)
No edit summary
 
(3 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown)
Line 2: Line 2:
'''[{{fullurl:JB/120/013/003|action=edit}} Click Here To Edit]'''
'''[{{fullurl:JB/120/013/003|action=edit}} Click Here To Edit]'''
<!-- ENTER TRANSCRIPTION BELOW THIS LINE -->
<!-- ENTER TRANSCRIPTION BELOW THIS LINE -->
 
<head>N<hi rend="superscript">o</hi>. 7<lb/>M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi> Bentham to Sir C Bunbury.</head> <p> 11<hi rend="superscript">th</hi> August 1802.<lb/> Dear Sir, </p> <p> If no particular time is mentioned, within which it is expected<lb/>that notice should be taken of my papers, no notice will ever be taken<lb/>of them, until some adverse step on my part is known to have been<lb/>taken, and then it will be said of me &#x2014; <hi rend="underline">the fault lies in his own<lb/> rashness</hi> &#x2014; <hi rend="underline">for had his patience lasted him but a day longer, the notice<lb/> he was wishing for would have come.</hi>  Therefore it is, that I set pen<lb/> to paper once more, for the purpose of begging of you to say in your<lb/>letter to Lord Pelham, that on your promising to write to his Lordship<lb/>on the subject, it was my special request to you, that you would<lb/>have the goodness to give his Lordship to understand very distinctly, that if, <lb/> within a week from this date 11<hi rend="superscript">th</hi> August 1802 I were not fortunate enough<lb/>to receive the honour of a letter in his Lordship's hand addresses to myself,<lb/> my <hi rend="underline">conclusions</hi> would be that no such good fortune ever would<lb/>befall me, and that my future proceedings would be built on that <hi rend="underline">declared</hi> <lb/> ground.  If the papers at length were sent in the first instance, <lb/> the length of it might afford a plea for taking it <foreign><hi rend="underline">ad referendum</hi>:</foreign><lb/>but when the question is merely whether he will or will not read a paper<lb/>of which these are the marginal contents, that excuse has no place.  As<lb/>to <hi rend="underline">dictating</hi> a time to his Majesty's Secretary of State, most certainly I <lb/>have no such absurd pretensions: but as to any conclusions of my own, <lb/>presented to my own judgment, by my own memory and my own reflections,<lb/>they depend upon the <hi rend="underline">premises</hi>, and are as independent even of my own<lb/> will, as they are of that of his Majesty's Secretary of State. &#x2014; </p> <p> Question (possible) on the part of Lord Pelham.  How came M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi>. B.<lb/> never to apply to me all this time?</p> <p> Answer 1. One reason is given in the correspondence (M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi> B. with<lb/> Mess<hi rend="superscript">rs</hi> Addington and Vansittart) which you had the goodness to transmit<lb/>to Lord Pelham. &#x2014; 2. Another is &#x2014; M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi>. B. had no pretence to the honour<lb/> of being <hi rend="underline">remembered</hi> by his Lordship.  M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi>. B's Brother the General had:<lb/> he was on speaking terms.  When <sic>Gen<hi rend="superscript">l</hi></sic>. B, after permission asked and <lb/>obtained, waited on Ld P., at his house in Stratton Street, for the purpose<lb/> of speaking to him on this subject as well as another (it was<lb/> before he had possession of his office in the Treasury) his Lordship gave<lb/> him to understand by a servant, that it was <hi rend="underline">not</hi> convenient to see him<lb/> then, and did <hi rend="underline">not</hi> give him to understand, that there would be any <lb/><hi rend="underline">other</hi> time at which a visit might be less unacceptable.</p> <p> <add> In a </add> </p>  
<p> (7</p> <head>N<hi rend="superscript">o</hi>. 7<lb/>M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi> Bentham to Sir C Bunbury.</head> <p> 11<hi rend="superscript">th</hi> August 1802.<lb/> Dear Sir, </p> <p> If not particular time is mentioned, within which it is expected<lb/>that notice should be taken of my papers, no notice will ever be taken<lb/>of them, until some adverse step on my part is known to have been<lb/>taken, and then it will be said of me &#x2014; <hi rend="underline">the fault lies in his own<lb/> rashness &#x2014; for had his patience lasted him but a day longer, the notice<lb/> he was wishing for would have come.</hi>  Therefore it is, that I set pen<lb/> to paper once more, for the purpose of begging of you to say in your<lb/>letter to lord Pelham, that on your promising to write to his Lordship<lb/>on the subject, it was my special request to you, that you would<lb/>have the goodness to give his Lordship to understand very distinctly, that if, <lb/> within a week from this date 11<hi rend="superscript">th</hi> August 1802 I were not fortunate enough<lb/>to receive the honour of a letter in his Lordship's hand addresses to myself,<lb/> my <hi rend="underline">conclusions</hi> would be that no such good fortune ever would<lb/>befall me, and that my future proceedings would be built on that <hi rend="underline">declared</hi> <lb/> ground.  If the papers at length were sent in the first instance, <lb/> the length of it might afford a plea for taking it <hi rend="underline">ad referendum</hi>:<lb/>but when the question is merely whether he will not read a paper<lb/>of which these are the marginal contents, that excuse has no place.  As<lb/>to <hi rend="underline">dictating</hi> a time to his Majesty's Secretary of State, most certainly I <lb/>have no such absurd pretensions: but as to any conclusions of my own, <lb/>presented to my own judgment, by my own memory and my own reflections,<lb/>they depend upon the <hi rend="underline">premises</hi>, and are as independent even of my own<lb/> will, as they are of that of his Majesty's Secretary of State. &#x2014; </p> <p> Question (possible) on the part of Lord Pelham.  How came M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi>. B.<lb/> never to apply to me all this time?</p> <p> Answer 1. One reason is given in the correspondence (Mr B. with<lb/> Mess<hi rend="superscript">rs</hi> Addington and Vansittart) which you had the goodness to transmit<lb/>to Lord Pelham. &#x2014; 2. Another is &#x2014; M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi>. B. had no pretence to the honour<lb/> of being <hi rend="underline">remembered</hi> by his Lordship.  M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi>. B's Brother the General had:<lb/> he was on speaking terms.  When <sic>Gen<hi rend="superscript">l</hi></sic>. B, after permission asked and <lb/>obtained, waited on Ld P., at his house in Stratton Street, for the purpose<lb/> of speaking to him on this subject as well as another (it was<lb/> before he had possession of his office in the Treasury) his Lordship gave<lb/> him to understand by a servant, that it was <hi rend="underline">not</hi> convenient to see him<lb/> then, and did <hi rend="underline">not</hi> give him to understand, that there would be any <lb/><hi rend="underline">other</hi> time at which a visit might be less unacceptable.</p> <p> <add> In a </add> </p>  


<!-- DO NOT EDIT BELOW THIS LINE -->
<!-- DO NOT EDIT BELOW THIS LINE -->
{{Metadata:{{PAGENAME}}}}
{{Metadata:{{PAGENAME}}}}{{Completed}}

Latest revision as of 10:29, 4 February 2020

Click Here To Edit

No. 7
Mr Bentham to Sir C Bunbury.

11th August 1802.
Dear Sir,

If no particular time is mentioned, within which it is expected
that notice should be taken of my papers, no notice will ever be taken
of them, until some adverse step on my part is known to have been
taken, and then it will be said of me — the fault lies in his own
rashness
for had his patience lasted him but a day longer, the notice
he was wishing for would have come.
Therefore it is, that I set pen
to paper once more, for the purpose of begging of you to say in your
letter to Lord Pelham, that on your promising to write to his Lordship
on the subject, it was my special request to you, that you would
have the goodness to give his Lordship to understand very distinctly, that if,
within a week from this date 11th August 1802 I were not fortunate enough
to receive the honour of a letter in his Lordship's hand addresses to myself,
my conclusions would be that no such good fortune ever would
befall me, and that my future proceedings would be built on that declared
ground. If the papers at length were sent in the first instance,
the length of it might afford a plea for taking it ad referendum:
but when the question is merely whether he will or will not read a paper
of which these are the marginal contents, that excuse has no place. As
to dictating a time to his Majesty's Secretary of State, most certainly I
have no such absurd pretensions: but as to any conclusions of my own,
presented to my own judgment, by my own memory and my own reflections,
they depend upon the premises, and are as independent even of my own
will, as they are of that of his Majesty's Secretary of State. —

Question (possible) on the part of Lord Pelham. How came Mr. B.
never to apply to me all this time?

Answer 1. One reason is given in the correspondence (Mr B. with
Messrs Addington and Vansittart) which you had the goodness to transmit
to Lord Pelham. — 2. Another is — Mr. B. had no pretence to the honour
of being remembered by his Lordship. Mr. B's Brother the General had:
he was on speaking terms. When Genl. B, after permission asked and
obtained, waited on Ld P., at his house in Stratton Street, for the purpose
of speaking to him on this subject as well as another (it was
before he had possession of his office in the Treasury) his Lordship gave
him to understand by a servant, that it was not convenient to see him
then, and did not give him to understand, that there would be any
other time at which a visit might be less unacceptable.

In a



Identifier: | JB/120/013/003"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 120.

Date_1

1802-08-12

Marginal Summary Numbering

Box

120

Main Headings

panopticon versus new south wales

Folio number

013

Info in main headings field

Image

003

Titles

no. 8 / sir charles bunbury to mr bentham

Category

correspondence

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

f8

Penner

john herbert koe

Watermarks

1800

Marginals

Paper Producer

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

1800

Notes public

copy of letter 1713, vol. 7

ID Number

40417004

Box Contents

UCL Home » Transcribe Bentham » Transcription Desk
  • Create account
  • Log in