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78.
"Despise pleasures:
Pleasure (says Horace)
bought with pain is
noxious" — silliness of
this remark exposed.
J. F. C.

Sperne voluptates (says Horace): nocet empta dolore
voluptas Despise pleasures: pleasure bought with pain is
noxious Silly enough all this: France but, as paper is of a ,
sounds, when mix with a small admixture of good sense it is
sound is by general consent, received as made to pass for an equivalent for
pure sense: [as in the small money of France, brass or copper base metal
with a small alloy of silver is received as an equivalent
for silver with a small alloy of the base metal.]
If pleasure is a proper object of contempt, what is it
that is the proper object of esteem? pain or apathy? Pleasure
bou paid for by pain is a bad bargain: says the
philosopher with in his fool's cap scratching his head for
jingle: just as if, at a party, a man you know nothing
of were to come to you and say, "Sir, you pay too dear
for your sugar," not knowing what you pay for your sugar,
any more than when you buy it. In the one verse
may be seen the ascetic principle and the greatest happiness
principle breathed out come one with the same breath. "Despise pleasure"
is asceticism put pure you may call it whether it
is a Frenchman you are speaking to or to an Englishman, pleasure paid
for in pain is noxious, has at bottom a spice, of utilitarianism, though made
by stale water made up into this maukish draught.

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— has at bottom a
spice of utilitarianism
Horace no ascetic.
J. F. C.

Not that in his own composition Horace had any
thing of asceticism, any more than any of his friends he
speaks of: asceticism is one of the last sins he will be accused
of by any one who has any acquaintance with his works.

80.
In J. B's memoniter
verses elements of
value in pains & pleasures
given.
J. F. C.

Mr Bentham who in his memoniter verses he gives the
elements or dimensions or elements of value in a pain pains
or a pleasure and pleasures, goes on to ascribe to them the attributes
of purity and fecundity. This serves as a help to memory:
but it stands in need of an observation to preserve
it from throwing a cloud over conception: pleasure is followed by pain when after
pleasure pain is produced what was produced by it is not, properly speaking, by the pain
pleasure that
pleasure, but the
same act whatever it be
by which, one after the
other they are both of
them produced.

Identifier: | JB/014/351/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 14.
Date_1	1829-06-09	Marginal Summary Numbering	78-80
Box	014	Main Headings	deontology
Folio number	351	Info in main headings field	article
Image	001	Titles
Category	text sheet	Number of Pages	1
Recto/Verso	recto	Page Numbering	e1 / f43
Penner	jeremy bentham	Watermarks	1828
Marginals	john flowerdew colls	Paper Producer
Corrections		Paper Produced in Year	1828
Notes public	[[notes_public::"original / copied" [note not in bentham's hand]]]	ID Number	5114
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