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<head>1819 Aug. 17<lb/>
Fallacies</head>


<note>Note<lb/>
Ch. High fliers' fallacy<lb/>
Form</note>
<p>6</p>
<p><!-- Pointer symbol --> <foreign>Quere</foreign> whether to insert this sheet, or any part of it?</p>
<p>Text or Note</p>
<p>As to the merits of the question as between form and form,<lb/>
they turn upon the question of <hi rend="underline">responsibility</hi> &#x2014; effectual responsibility &#x2014;<lb/>
on the part of public functionaries. But, when, on the part of<lb/>
the persons, bearing the name and acting in the character of representatives<lb/>
of the people, there is no real and effectual responsibility<lb/>
as towards the people their normal constituents <add>whose representatives they are said to be</add>, all other responsibility<lb/>
<add>(need it be said?)</add> is but a name, and the pretence of keeping it a <unclear>fact</unclear><lb/>
a melancholy farce (a)</p>
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<p>Note (a)</p>
<p>In the event of its being deemed expedient, <add>the effect of</add> a communication<lb/>
to the effect in question might be more easily done away <add>in and</add> by <lb/>
the <del><gap/></del> <add>form</add> actually pursued, than <add>in</add> by the form <del><gap/></del> which<lb/>
according to his Lordship ought to have been pursued: for, to<lb/>
have made a Lord Lieutenant with his Privy Council at his<lb/>
back resign or <del><gap/></del> retract would have made more sensation<lb/>
than the placing of the Lord Lieutenant's Secretary alone in<lb/>
the same predicament. It was the interest of the Ministry as such<lb/>
that <del>every thing done shou</del> on the occasion of <add>this and</add> every thing that<lb/>
was done by them this difficulty and trouble should be as small<lb/>
as possible: it was the interest of his Lordship, in his character<lb/>
of leader of Opposition than on every such occasion their difficulty<lb/>
and trouble should be as great as possible: since it is<lb/>
by the magnitude of the mass of difficulty and trouble that<lb/>
<add>general</add> resignations when they are produced <del>are</del> produced.</p>
<p>In either case it is form against form <add>both cases it is a question between form and form: and</add><lb/>
as to the people and their interest, which it <del>will</del> was that was the<lb/>
form employed, could make no difference worth mentioning. Governed<lb/>
by an interest opposite on every occasion to the interest of the people, the<lb/>
will of the Monarch <del><gap/></del> is the will that would have determined<lb/>
the matter in all cases: and <add>as to</add> whether the instruments employed<lb/>
in the giving effect to that will were <add>whether they were</add> a Lord Lieutenant's Secretary<lb/>
or a Lord Lieutenant himself with a set of sub-instruments composing<lb/>
his Privy Council, made to the people not any the smallest difference. I<lb/>
<del><add>difference</add></del></p>




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1819 Aug. 17
Fallacies

Note
Ch. High fliers' fallacy
Form

6

Quere whether to insert this sheet, or any part of it?

Text or Note

As to the merits of the question as between form and form,
they turn upon the question of responsibility — effectual responsibility —
on the part of public functionaries. But, when, on the part of
the persons, bearing the name and acting in the character of representatives
of the people, there is no real and effectual responsibility
as towards the people their normal constituents whose representatives they are said to be, all other responsibility
(need it be said?) is but a name, and the pretence of keeping it a fact
a melancholy farce (a)

Note (a)

In the event of its being deemed expedient, the effect of a communication
to the effect in question might be more easily done away in and by
the form actually pursued, than in by the form which
according to his Lordship ought to have been pursued: for, to
have made a Lord Lieutenant with his Privy Council at his
back resign or retract would have made more sensation
than the placing of the Lord Lieutenant's Secretary alone in
the same predicament. It was the interest of the Ministry as such
that every thing done shou on the occasion of this and every thing that
was done by them this difficulty and trouble should be as small
as possible: it was the interest of his Lordship, in his character
of leader of Opposition than on every such occasion their difficulty
and trouble should be as great as possible: since it is
by the magnitude of the mass of difficulty and trouble that
general resignations when they are produced are produced.

In either case it is form against form both cases it is a question between form and form: and
as to the people and their interest, which it will was that was the
form employed, could make no difference worth mentioning. Governed
by an interest opposite on every occasion to the interest of the people, the
will of the Monarch is the will that would have determined
the matter in all cases: and as to whether the instruments employed
in the giving effect to that will were whether they were a Lord Lieutenant's Secretary
or a Lord Lieutenant himself with a set of sub-instruments composing
his Privy Council, made to the people not any the smallest difference. I
difference



Identifier: | JB/104/298/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 104.

Date_1

1819-08-17

Marginal Summary Numbering

Box

104

Main Headings

fallacies

Folio number

298

Info in main headings field

fallacies

Image

001

Titles

Category

text sheet

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

c6

Penner

jeremy bentham

Watermarks

[[watermarks::i&m [with prince of wales feathers above] 1818]]

Marginals

Paper Producer

arthur wellesley, duke of wellington

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

1818

Notes public

ID Number

34269

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