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had ceased to be so, to a Governor of New South Wales.<lb/>
had ceased to be so, to a Governor of New South Wales.<lb/>
Faith was not necessary to be kept with them: nor was it kept,<lb/>
Faith was not necessary to be kept with them: nor was it kept,<lb/>
(your Lordship sees) unless by accident, when gentlemen<lb/>
(Your Lordship sees) unless by accident, when gentlemen<lb/>
<del>happened to be</del> <add>even</add> in a mood for keeping it.</p>
<del>happened to be</del> <add>were</add> in a mood for keeping it.</p>
<p>In themselves, <del>and in all</del> <add>the gentlemen</add> in question were, by<lb/>
<p>In themselves, <del>and in all</del> <add>the gentlemen</add> in question were, by<lb/>
every account, <hi rend="underline">honourable</hi> men; and in <del>every</del> <add>any</add> situation<lb/>
every account, <hi rend="underline">honourable</hi> men; and in <del>every</del> <add>any</add> situation<lb/>
but this, no exception would probably have ever been taken to the word<lb/>
<del>but this would probably have contained <gap/></del> <add>but this, no exception would probably have ever been taken to the word.</add> Two misfortunes<lb/>
<del>but this would probably have contained</del>. Two misfortunes<lb/>
had befallen them:&#x2014;they had been placed <del>in a situation <add>where no</add></del><lb/>
had befallen them:&#x2014;they had been placed <del><add>where no</add> in a situation</del><lb/>
<del>in which no</del> <add>were as no</add> human being ought to be placed:  
<del>in which no</del> <add>as no</add> human being ought to be placed:  
<del>and in<lb/>
<del>and in<lb/>
that situation</del> they had taken their lessons from the Treasury:<lb/>
that situation</del> they had taken their lessons from the Treasury:<lb/>
I mean always (for there I stop for the present) the Treasury of<lb/>
I mean always (for there I stop for the present) <gap/> the Treasury of<lb/>
<del>I mean the Treasury of</del> that day. In that impressive<lb/>
<del>I mean the Treasury of</del> that day. In that impressive<lb/>
School of despotism and disorder, they had learnt to<lb/>
School of despotism and disorder, they had learnt to<lb/>
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and <add>only</add> practical measure of right and wrong<add>+</add>&#x2014;mediately<lb/>
and <add>only</add> practical measure of right and wrong<add>+</add>&#x2014;mediately<lb/>
or immediately, they had held converse with M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi> Pitt. From<lb/>
or immediately, they had held converse with M<hi rend="superscript">r</hi> Pitt. From<lb/>
<add>him it is they must have learnt</add><lb/>
<del>that Right Honourable person it must have been that</del> <add>him it is they must have learnt,</add><lb/><lb/>
<del>that Right Honourable person it must have been that<lb/>
<del>they learnt</del>, that the rules necessary to be observed in dealing<lb/>
they learnt</del>, that the rules necessary to be observed in dealing<lb/>
with men who had once been Convicts, <del>were of no</del> <add>are of no</add> <lb/>
with men who had once been Convicts, <add>are of no</add> <del>were of no<lb/>
<del>more a sort</del> <add>tighter purpose</add> <add><del>no others</del></add> than those which shortly afterwards<lb/>
more a sort</del> <add>tighter purpose</add> <add><del>no others</del></add> than those which shortly afterwards<lb/>
the same Right Honourable person found a convenience<lb/>
the same Right Honourable person found a convenience<lb/>
in <sic>shewing</sic>, towards one whose humble ambitions it<lb/>
in <sic>shewing</sic>, towards one whose humble ambitions it<lb/>
had been to meliorate the lot of Convicts: and that <add>where</add> <del>in the seat<lb/>
had been to meliorate the lot of Convicts: and that <del>in the seat</del> <add>where</add> <lb/>
of power</del> <add>power is <del>thought</del> impregnable</add> good faith is either not worth the keeping, or that<lb/>
<del>of power</del> <add>power is <del>thought</del> impregnable</add> good faith is either not worth the keeping, or that,<lb/>
  when <del>combined with power</del> <add>thus <gap/> entrenched, it <sic>admitts</sic> of</add> <del>it consists in</del> an open, and<lb/>
  when <del>combined with power</del> <add>thus <del><gap/></del> entrenched, it <sic>admitts</sic> of</add> <del>it consists in</del> an open, and<lb/>
inexorable, and pretenceless violation of undenied assurances<lb/>
inexorable, and pretenceless violation of undenied assurances<lb/>
and engagements.</p><note><add>+</add> Yes&#x2014;that was<lb/>their misfortune&#x2014;</note>
and engagements.</p><note><add>+</add> Yes&#x2014;that was<lb/>their misfortune&#x2014;</note>
<p>Think not however, my Lord, that I mean to<lb/>point out a Governor Wall in the improved Colony. I see<lb/>not&#x2014;I never have seen&#x2014;any such person there.&#x2014;Too<lb/>little regard or engagements&#x2014;a little occasional passion&#x2014;too<lb/>constant haughtiness&#x2014;but still no studied cruelty&#x2014;no, my<lb/>Lord:the true Wall is the Treasury Wall here at home: the<lb/>man who, after organizing<lb/>ruin by interested<lb/>perfidy <del>can</del> <add>could</add> sit <del>enjoying</del> <add>feasting</add><lb/>on it for seven years<lb/>together, in vengeance for<lb/>the injuries he had done.</p>
<p>Think not however, my Lord, that I mean to<lb/>point out a Governor Wall in the improved Colony. I see<lb/>not&#x2014;I never have seen&#x2014;any such person there.&#x2014;Too<lb/>little regard for engagements&#x2014;a little occasional passion&#x2014;too<lb/>constant haughtiness&#x2014;but still no studied cruelty&#x2014;no, my<lb/>Lord:&#x2014; the true Wall is the Treasury Wall here at home: the<lb/><add>man</add></p>
 
<note>man who, after organizing<lb/>ruin by interested<lb/>perfidy <del>can</del> <add>could</add> sit <del>enjoying</del> <add>feasting</add><lb/>on it for seven years<lb/>together, in vengeance for<lb/>the injuries he had done.</note>




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N.S. Wales

28 July 1802

Conduct

VII Escapes
27 continued

One thing appears—as plain as any thing need appear—
upon the face of this most honourable and candid ingenious and upright testimony.
So far as appearances and engagements are in question,
as Heraticks were once said to be to the Church of Rome
so have convicts been always been, including those who
had ceased to be so, to a Governor of New South Wales.
Faith was not necessary to be kept with them: nor was it kept,
(Your Lordship sees) unless by accident, when gentlemen
happened to be were in a mood for keeping it.

In themselves, and in all the gentlemen in question were, by
every account, honourable men; and in every any situation
but this would probably have contained but this, no exception would probably have ever been taken to the word. Two misfortunes
had befallen them:—they had been placed in a situation where no
in which no were as no human being ought to be placed: and in
that situation
they had taken their lessons from the Treasury:
I mean always (for there I stop for the present) the Treasury of
I mean the Treasury of that day. In that impressive
School of despotism and disorder, they had learnt to
understand—and to understand but too plainly—that the
improbability or probability of impunity is the true
and only practical measure of right and wrong+—mediately
or immediately, they had held converse with Mr Pitt. From
that Right Honourable person it must have been that him it is they must have learnt,

they learnt, that the rules necessary to be observed in dealing
with men who had once been Convicts, were of no are of no
more a sort tighter purpose no others than those which shortly afterwards
the same Right Honourable person found a convenience
in shewing, towards one whose humble ambitions it
had been to meliorate the lot of Convicts: and that in the seat where
of power power is thought impregnable good faith is either not worth the keeping, or that,
when combined with power thus entrenched, it admitts of it consists in an open, and
inexorable, and pretenceless violation of undenied assurances
and engagements.

+ Yes—that was
their misfortune—

Think not however, my Lord, that I mean to
point out a Governor Wall in the improved Colony. I see
not—I never have seen—any such person there.—Too
little regard for engagements—a little occasional passion—too
constant haughtiness—but still no studied cruelty—no, my
Lord:— the true Wall is the Treasury Wall here at home: the
man

man who, after organizing
ruin by interested
perfidy can could sit enjoying feasting
on it for seven years
together, in vengeance for
the injuries he had done.



Identifier: | JB/116/333/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 116.

Date_1

1802-07-28

Marginal Summary Numbering

27 continued

Box

116

Main Headings

panopticon versus new south wales

Folio number

333

Info in main headings field

n. s. wales

Image

001

Titles

Category

text sheet

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

d21

Penner

jeremy bentham

Watermarks

1800

Marginals

jeremy bentham

Paper Producer

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

1800

Notes public

ID Number

37866

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