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<del>§ <gap/> [ 1 ] [ <hi rend="underline">Rules of Council</hi> ] p.</del> <add>§. 30 [ 1 ]  [ 82 ] Page 61. [ . . <hi rend="underline">Council . . . to ordain . . . what . . . . marks . . .</hi><lb/><del><gap/></del> <hi rend="underline">. . shall . . . . be . . . thereupon</hi> ]</add> In the <hi rend="underline">Instructions</hi> it<lb/>seems to be <del>taken for granted</del> <add>assumed,</add> that, excepting such<lb/>marks as are melted down by thieves <del>no</del> or their<lb/>receivers, no <del>met <add>a</add></del> masses of metal in an unfashioned <lb/>state are found without certain distinctive<lb/>marks.  That a practice of this sort is general<lb/>at least, I take for granted from this assumption:  but<lb/>before it can be proper to inflict penalties on persons<lb/><del>not</del> having masses of metal in their possession<lb/>without such marks, several points (it should seem)<lb/>will require to be ascertained, some of which at least<lb/>appear dubious, viz:<lb/>1.  Whether at present <del>any such</del> <add>the</add> practice <add>in question</add> is not<lb/>only general, but <hi rend="underline">universal</hi>, without any exception <lb/>in the instance of every sort of metal and metallic <lb/>mixture, among all honest dealers?<lb/>2.  Whether the mode of marking, in all the immense <lb/>variety of instances is uniform, or <del>it may</del><lb/><del>not</del> though not <del>altogether</del> <add>precisely</add> the same in all these<lb/>cases, yet in all of them <del>such as is</del> <add>of such a nature as to be</add> already sufficiently<lb/>adapted to the intended purpose? - <note>Before I took upon <lb/>me to draw up a clause <lb/>by which Parliament <lb/>would do the business <lb/>of itself without further <lb/>lights, it would be my <lb/>wish to see all the <lb/>several marks that <lb/>are in use for metals <lb/>in their unfashioned <lb/>state.  <del>In the instance <lb/>of</del> Iron imported from <lb/>abroad <add>affords</add> (I have reason <lb/>to think) one instance <lb/>at least of a mass of <lb/>metal <add>which exhibits itself</add> in this state <lb/>without <del>exhibiting <lb/>its</del> any manufacturer's <lb/>name.</note><lb/>3.  Whether <del>it might not happen that</del>  if the prohibition<lb/>in question were to be made <hi rend="underline">absolute</hi><lb/>by the Act of Parliament itself, it might not happen,<lb/>that a man <del>having had</del> who had never<lb/>had in his possession any bar or ingot &c but<lb/>what had been marked, might yet <del>become</del> <add>have rendered himself</add> liable<lb/>to the penalties of the Act, by having <del>separated</del> <add>cut off <del>for use</del></add><lb/><add>for use,</add> from the entire bar or ingot, a portion not<lb/>bearing <del>on</del> the mark or any part of it, if sufficient<lb/>time were not allowed for the <del>employment</del> <add>working up</add><lb/>of all such unmarked portions as may have<lb/>thus been separated from the part <del>bearing</del> <add>which bears</add> the mark? <pb/>
<head>Police Revenue Bill</head>
 
<note>Observations<lb/>
IV. Regulation<lb/>
§. 30<lb/>
82<lb/>
Power to <gap/><lb/>
for appointing <gap/><lb/>
for <gap/> &amp;c, to<lb/>
make it <gap/> to<lb/>
have an ingot &amp;c<lb/>
without such <gap/><lb/>
The provision<lb/>
a good one <hi rend="underline">with</hi><lb/>
such a power, but<lb/>
not otherwise</note>
 
 
<p><del>§ 8 [ 1 ] [ <hi rend="underline">Rules of Council</hi> ] p.</del> <add>§. 30 [ 1 ]  [ 82 ] Page 61. [ . . <hi rend="underline">Council . . . to ordain . . . what . . . . marks . . .</hi><lb/><del><gap/></del> <hi rend="underline">. . shall . . . . be . . . thereupon</hi> ]</add> In the <hi rend="underline">Instructions</hi> it<lb/>seems to be <del>taken for granted</del> <add>assumed,</add> that, excepting such<lb/>marks as are melted down by thieves <del>no</del> or their<lb/>receivers, no <del>met <add>a</add></del> masses of metal in an unfashioned <lb/>state are found without certain distinctive<lb/>marks.  That a practice of this sort is general<lb/>at least, I take for granted from this assumption:  but<lb/>before it can be proper to inflict penalties on persons<lb/><del>not</del> having masses of metal in their possession<lb/>without such marks, several points (it should seem)<lb/>will require to be ascertained, some of which at least<lb/>appear dubious, viz:<lb/>1.  Whether at present <del>any such</del> <add>the</add> practice <add>in question</add> is not<lb/>only general, but <hi rend="underline">universal</hi>, without any exception <lb/>in the instance of every sort of metal and metallic <lb/>mixture, among all honest dealers?<lb/>2.  Whether the mode of marking, in all the immense <lb/>variety of instances is uniform, or <del>it may</del><lb/><del>not</del> though not <del>altogether</del> <add>precisely</add> the same in all these<lb/>cases, yet in all of them <del>such as is</del> <add>of such a nature as to be</add> already sufficiently<lb/>adapted to the intended purpose? - <note>Before I took upon <lb/>me to draw up a clause <lb/>by which Parliament <lb/>would do the business <lb/>of itself without further <lb/>lights, it would be my <lb/>wish to see all the <lb/>several marks that <lb/>are in use for metals <lb/>in their unfashioned <lb/>state.  <del>In the instance <lb/>of</del> Iron imported from <lb/>abroad <add>affords</add> (I have reason <lb/>to think) one instance <lb/>at least of a mass of <lb/>metal <add>which exhibits itself</add> in this state <lb/>without <del>exhibiting <lb/>its</del> any manufacturer's <lb/>name.</note><lb/>3.  Whether <del>it might not happen that</del>  if the prohibition<lb/>in question were to be made <hi rend="underline">absolute</hi><lb/>by the Act of Parliament itself, it might not happen,<lb/>that a man <del>having had</del> who had never<lb/>had in his possession any bar or ingot &c but<lb/>what had been marked, might yet <del>become</del> <add>have rendered himself</add> liable<lb/>to the penalties of the Act, by having <del>separated</del> <add>cut off <del>for use</del></add><lb/><add>for use,</add> from the entire bar or ingot, a portion not<lb/>bearing <del>on</del> the mark or any part of it, if sufficient<lb/>time were not allowed for the <del>employment</del> <add>working up</add><lb/>of all such unmarked portions as may have<lb/>thus been separated from the part <del>bearing</del> <add>which bears</add> the mark?</p> <pb/>





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Police Revenue Bill

Observations
IV. Regulation
§. 30
82
Power to
for appointing
for &c, to
make it to
have an ingot &c
without such
The provision
a good one with
such a power, but
not otherwise


§ 8 [ 1 ] [ Rules of Council ] p. §. 30 [ 1 ] [ 82 ] Page 61. [ . . Council . . . to ordain . . . what . . . . marks . . .
. . shall . . . . be . . . thereupon ]
In the Instructions it
seems to be taken for granted assumed, that, excepting such
marks as are melted down by thieves no or their
receivers, no met a masses of metal in an unfashioned
state are found without certain distinctive
marks. That a practice of this sort is general
at least, I take for granted from this assumption: but
before it can be proper to inflict penalties on persons
not having masses of metal in their possession
without such marks, several points (it should seem)
will require to be ascertained, some of which at least
appear dubious, viz:
1. Whether at present any such the practice in question is not
only general, but universal, without any exception
in the instance of every sort of metal and metallic
mixture, among all honest dealers?
2. Whether the mode of marking, in all the immense
variety of instances is uniform, or it may
not though not altogether precisely the same in all these
cases, yet in all of them such as is of such a nature as to be already sufficiently
adapted to the intended purpose? - Before I took upon
me to draw up a clause
by which Parliament
would do the business
of itself without further
lights, it would be my
wish to see all the
several marks that
are in use for metals
in their unfashioned
state. In the instance
of
Iron imported from
abroad affords (I have reason
to think) one instance
at least of a mass of
metal which exhibits itself in this state
without exhibiting
its
any manufacturer's
name.

3. Whether it might not happen that if the prohibition
in question were to be made absolute
by the Act of Parliament itself, it might not happen,
that a man having had who had never
had in his possession any bar or ingot &c but
what had been marked, might yet become have rendered himself liable
to the penalties of the Act, by having separated cut off for use
for use, from the entire bar or ingot, a portion not
bearing on the mark or any part of it, if sufficient
time were not allowed for the employment working up
of all such unmarked portions as may have
thus been separated from the part bearing which bears the mark?


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Identifier: | JB/150/530/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 150.

Date_1

Marginal Summary Numbering

82

Box

150

Main Headings

police bill

Folio number

530

Info in main headings field

police revenue bill

Image

001

Titles

Category

text sheet

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

b18 / f106

Penner

jeremy bentham

Watermarks

j whatman

Marginals

jeremy bentham

Paper Producer

admiral pavel chichagov

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

Notes public

ID Number

50751

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