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<note>78.<lb/>"Despise pleasures:<lb/>pleasure (says Horace)<lb/>bought with pain is<lb/>noxious" - silliness of<lb/>this exposed.<lb/>J.F.C.</note>
<note>78.<lb/>"Despise pleasures:<lb/>pleasure (says Horace)<lb/>bought with pain is<lb/>noxious" - silliness of<lb/>this exposed.<lb/>J.F.C.</note>


<foreign>Sperum voluptates</foreign> (says Horace); <foreign>vocet empta<lb/>
<p><foreign>Sperum voluptates</foreign> (says Horace); <foreign>vocet empta<lb/>
dolore voluptare</foreign>- Despise pleasures; pleasure bought with<lb/>
dolore voluptare</foreign>- Despise pleasures; pleasure bought with<lb/>
pain is noxious. Silly enough all this : but, sound, when<lb/>
pain is noxious. Silly enough all this : but, sound, when<lb/>
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with a small alloy of silver is received as an equivalent<lb/>
with a small alloy of silver is received as an equivalent<lb/>
for silver with a small alloy of the base metal.]<lb/>
for silver with a small alloy of the base metal.]<lb/>
If pleasure is a proper object of contempt, what is it<lb/>
that is the proper object of esteem? Pain or apathy?<lb/>
Pleasure paid for by pain is a bad bargain; says the<lb/>
philosopher in his fool's cap scratching his head for jingle:<lb/>
just as if, at a party, a man you know nothing of<lb/>
were to come &amp; say, "<hi rend="underline">Sir, you pay too dear for your sugar</hi>",<lb/>
not knowing what you pay for your sugar, any<lb/>
more than where you buy it. In this one verse, may be<lb/>
seen the ascetic principle &amp; the gr<hi rend="superscript">t</hi>. happiness prin<hi rend="superscript">e</hi>.<lb/>
breathed out <add>come out with</add> the same breath. "<hi rend="underline">Despise pleasure</hi>" is<lb/>
<hi rend="underline">asceticism pure</hi> you may call it whether it is<lb/>
<add>you are speaking to</add> a Frenchman or an Englishman : <hi rend="underline">pleasure paid for<lb/>
in pain is noxious</hi>, <add>has at bottom a spice</add> of utilitarianism, though<lb/>
made by stale water made up into this mawkish<lb/>
draught. Not that in his own composit<hi rend="superscript">n</hi>. Horace had<lb/>
anything of asceticism, any more than any of his<lb/>
friends he speaks of : asceticism is one of the last<lb/>
sins he will be accused of by any one who has<lb/>
any acquaintance with his works. Mr. Bentham when<lb/>
in his memoriter verses he gives the <hi rend="underline">elements or<lb/>
dimensions or elements</hi> of virtue in <add>pains &amp; pleasures</add> a pain or a pleas<hi rend="superscript">e</hi>.,<lb/>
goes on to ascribe to them the attributes of <hi rend="underline">purity</hi> &amp;<lb/>
<hi rend="underline">fecundity</hi>. This serves as a help to <hi rend="underline">memory</hi>  : but<lb/>
it stands in need of an observation to preserve it<lb/>
from throwing a cloud over<del>per</del><add>con</add>ception : <del><gap/><lb/>
<gap/></del> <add>pleasure is followed by pain.</add> when after pleasure a pain is<lb/>
produced, what it is produced by, is not, properly speaking,<lb/>
the pleasure, but <hi rend="underline"><del>the</del> some</hi> act whatever it be, by wh<hi rend="superscript">h</hi>.<lb/>
one after the other, they are, both of them <del><gap/>.</del><add>produced.</add> Speaking<lb/>
of a mixture of pleasure as giving impurity to pain,<lb/>
as well as a mixture of pain as giving impurity to<lb/>
pleasure Mr. Bentham exposed himself to the<lb/>
charge of paradox : purity not being commonly used in<lb/></p>


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1829. June 9. Article on Utilitarianism.

78.
"Despise pleasures:
pleasure (says Horace)
bought with pain is
noxious" - silliness of
this exposed.
J.F.C.

Sperum voluptates (says Horace); vocet empta
dolore voluptare
- Despise pleasures; pleasure bought with
pain is noxious. Silly enough all this : but, sound, when
with a small admixture of good sense it is styled poetry, is
by general consent, received as made to pass for an equivalent for pure
sense : [as in the small money of France, base metal
with a small alloy of silver is received as an equivalent
for silver with a small alloy of the base metal.]
If pleasure is a proper object of contempt, what is it
that is the proper object of esteem? Pain or apathy?
Pleasure paid for by pain is a bad bargain; says the
philosopher in his fool's cap scratching his head for jingle:
just as if, at a party, a man you know nothing of
were to come & say, "Sir, you pay too dear for your sugar",
not knowing what you pay for your sugar, any
more than where you buy it. In this one verse, may be
seen the ascetic principle & the grt. happiness prine.
breathed out come out with the same breath. "Despise pleasure" is
asceticism pure you may call it whether it is
you are speaking to a Frenchman or an Englishman : pleasure paid for
in pain is noxious
, has at bottom a spice of utilitarianism, though
made by stale water made up into this mawkish
draught. Not that in his own compositn. Horace had
anything of asceticism, any more than any of his
friends he speaks of : asceticism is one of the last
sins he will be accused of by any one who has
any acquaintance with his works. Mr. Bentham when
in his memoriter verses he gives the elements or
dimensions or elements
of virtue in pains & pleasures a pain or a please.,
goes on to ascribe to them the attributes of purity &
fecundity. This serves as a help to memory  : but
it stands in need of an observation to preserve it
from throwing a cloud overperconception :
pleasure is followed by pain. when after pleasure a pain is
produced, what it is produced by, is not, properly speaking,
the pleasure, but the some act whatever it be, by whh.
one after the other, they are, both of them .produced. Speaking
of a mixture of pleasure as giving impurity to pain,
as well as a mixture of pain as giving impurity to
pleasure Mr. Bentham exposed himself to the
charge of paradox : purity not being commonly used in

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Identifier: | JB/014/394/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 14.

Date_1

1829-06-09

Marginal Summary Numbering

78-80

Box

014

Main Headings

deontology

Folio number

394

Info in main headings field

article on utilitarianism

Image

001

Titles

Category

copy/fair copy sheet

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

c1 / e1 / f37

Penner

john flowerdew colls

Watermarks

Marginals

john flowerdew colls

Paper Producer

Corrections

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Notes public

ID Number

5157

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