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Charlemont. Convention<lb/> | Charlemont. Convention<lb/> | ||
adjourned. Parliament<lb/> | adjourned. Parliament<lb/> | ||
addressed to Young against<lb/> | |||
them their new agreement. </note><lb/> | them their new agreement. </note><lb/> | ||
<p>Of the <del><gap/></del> On the 29<hi rend="superscript">th</hi> of November 1783 the <add>Irish</add> Parliament<lb/> | <p>Of the <del><gap/></del> On the 29<hi rend="superscript">th</hi> of November 1783 the <add>Irish</add> Parliament<lb/> | ||
met and <add>on</add> the Convention <add>was</add> assured a time of<add> | met and <add>on</add> the Convention <add>was</add> assured a time of<add><unclear>rival</unclear></add> authority which <add>in</add> the<lb/> | ||
Parliament could not <add>be | Parliament could not <add>be endorsed.</add> brooked <add>Angry</add> High words in both assemblies:<lb/> | ||
any thing worse than high <add>angry</add> words no where. <del>So <gap/></del> In the <gap/> <note>Hardy</note><lb/> | any thing worse than high <add>angry</add> words no where. <del>So <gap/></del> In the <gap/> <note>Hardy pp 269 to 273</note><lb/> | ||
Lord Charlemont succeeded in persuading | Lord Charlemont succeeded in persuading them to adjourn, and a<lb/> | ||
<del>of</del> determined address <add>to the King</add> being voted by both | <del>of</del> determined address <add>to the King</add> being voted by both | ||
Houses of Parliament<lb/> | Houses of Parliament<lb/> | ||
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<p>That in all this <add>any thing of</add> <del>the</del> his Lordship <add>the noble President</add> did otherwise than<lb/> | <p>That in all this <add>any thing of</add> <del>the</del> his Lordship <add>the noble President</add> did otherwise than<lb/> | ||
right is more than I can take upon me to say, "The Delegates<lb/> | right is more than I can take upon me to say, "The Delegates<lb/> | ||
(say. the biographers) did not, | (say. the biographers) did not, nor could they then include the<lb/> | ||
'Catholic body": this is one reason. Ireland had it ever been <note>or 15<lb/> | 'Catholic body": this is one reason. Ireland had it ever been <note>or 15<lb/> | ||
Will perhaps that<lb/> | Will perhaps that<lb/> | ||
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populous </note><lb/> | populous </note><lb/> | ||
united could not have stood out against Great Britain, <add><gap/></add> with the<lb/> | united could not have stood out against Great Britain, <add><gap/></add> with the<lb/> | ||
monarchy, the aristocracy, <add>Lords | monarchy, the aristocracy, <add>Lords in their own name<add>House</add></add><add>, and the Lords in the House</add> and these dependents<lb/> | ||
of Commons by which it was ruled; this is another reason. The<lb/> | of Commons by which it was ruled; this is another reason. The<lb/> | ||
Irish mind <add>which is not now was still less</add> was no then the English mind: (<del><gap/> is it now</del>) this<lb/> | Irish mind <add>which is not now was still less</add> was no then the English mind: (<del><gap/> is it now</del>) this<lb/> | ||
was a third reason. The subject of Parliamentary reform | was a third reason. The subject of Parliamentary reform had not <lb/> | ||
<add> | <add>at that time</add> received from any one that <add>any thing like</add> consideration which for <del>such</del> so<lb/> | ||
many well furnished minds it has received since: this is a <lb/> | many well furnished minds it has received since: this is a <lb/> | ||
fourth reason: and more perhaps might be added. On these<lb/> | fourth reason: and more perhaps might be added. On these<lb/> | ||
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Parliamentary self-sacrifice.</p> | Parliamentary self-sacrifice.</p> | ||
<p>"To | <p>"To insure ... tranquillity, it was absolutely necessary" (says <note>Hardy p.271</note><lb/> | ||
the biographer) "to <gap/> the delegates, that, notwithstanding what <note><!-- Pencil note -->or 16<lb/> | the biographer) "to <gap/> the delegates, that, notwithstanding what <note><!-- Pencil note -->or 16<lb/> | ||
memoranda ulteriora<lb/> | memoranda ulteriora<lb/> | ||
I Promise of | I Promise of perseverance<lb/> | ||
in part. reform. given<lb/> | in part. reform. given<lb/> | ||
by Charlemont and <gap/><lb/> | by Charlemont and <gap/><lb/> | ||
Hardy 271. | Hardy 271. To insure<lb/> | ||
tranquility, necessary<lb/> | tranquility, necessary<lb/> | ||
"to convince the delegation<lb/> | "to convince the delegation<lb/> | ||
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had passed in Parliament"<lb/> | had passed in Parliament"<lb/> | ||
Reform would be <del><gap/></del><lb/> | Reform would be <del><gap/></del><lb/> | ||
persevered in.</note><lb/> | |||
"had passed in Parliament, the original object of their meeting should<lb/> | "had passed in Parliament, the original object of their meeting should<lb/> | ||
"in no wise be departed from, and that a Parliamentary Reform<lb/> | "in no wise be departed from, and that a Parliamentary Reform<lb/> | ||
"should as | "should as <unclear>seditiously</unclear> attended to, though in a different form, as<lb/> | ||
"it had been before. This conviction was accordingly as diligently<lb/> | "it had been before. This conviction was accordingly as diligently<lb/> | ||
impressed, and the provision <del><gap/></del> contained in it as faithfully uninformed,<lb/> | |||
by Lord Charlemont, as if his name had been Pitt, <add>or Fox</add> or Grey, or Sheridan<lb/> | by Lord Charlemont, as if his name had been Pitt, <add>or Fox</add> or Grey, or Sheridan<lb/> | ||
<del>or Graham</del> what other name, my Lord, shall we add?</p> | <del>or Graham</del> what other name, my Lord, shall we add?</p> | ||
1819 June 25
To Irishmen
Lett.7
S4.Pos 3
ber
Of the On the 29th of November 1783 the Irish Parliament or 14
Hardy pp 269 to 273
Novr 29th. 1783. Parliament
Between In
convention and ment,
angry words:
nothing worse. Persuaded By
Charlemont. Convention
adjourned. Parliament
addressed to Young against
them their new agreement.
Of the On the 29th of November 1783 the Irish Parliament
met and on the Convention was assured a time ofrival authority which in the
Parliament could not be endorsed. brooked Angry High words in both assemblies:
any thing worse than high angry words no where. So In the Hardy pp 269 to 273
Lord Charlemont succeeded in persuading them to adjourn, and a
of determined address to the King being voted by both
Houses of Parliament
the Convention met never met again. In peace, it had begun and continent It ended in it begun
in peace, and in peace it ended.
That in all this any thing of the his Lordship the noble President did otherwise than
right is more than I can take upon me to say, "The Delegates
(say. the biographers) did not, nor could they then include the
'Catholic body": this is one reason. Ireland had it ever been or 15
Will perhaps that
they did not.Reasons
1. See Hardy Delegates did
not could not include
the Catholic body
2. Irishmen though united
could not have stood out
against British Government
3. Irish mind not so far
advanced as the English
4. The least populous
Kingdom not so good for
commencement as the most
populous
united could not have stood out against Great Britain, with the
monarchy, the aristocracy, Lords in their own name<add>House</add>, and the Lords in the House and these dependents
of Commons by which it was ruled; this is another reason. The
Irish mind which is not now was still less was no then the English mind: ( is it now) this
was a third reason. The subject of Parliamentary reform had not
at that time received from any one that any thing like consideration which for such so
many well furnished minds it has received since: this is a
fourth reason: and more perhaps might be added. On these
things considered, it seems that in these times the impure has reason to felicitate itself that in Ireland in those
times no plan of parliamentary reform was
endeavoured at. For any such
endeavour the most populous
of the three kingdoms
is purely in comparison
of any other the most eligible
spot on which at any time it can some can
originate Hardy p.271
Two particularssubjects more call present<add>come here</add>a right to for mention.
given of a support to parliamentary reform; and that breachperfidy
of promise non performance which followed in much of course as if he those who made it
had been all monarchs. and engaged in a Holy regard.<add>League.</add> The other is the offers made of the
Parliamentary self-sacrifice.
"To insure ... tranquillity, it was absolutely necessary" (says Hardy p.271
the biographer) "to the delegates, that, notwithstanding what or 16
memoranda ulteriora
I Promise of perseverance
in part. reform. given
by Charlemont and
Hardy 271. To insure
tranquility, necessary
"to convince the delegation
that notwithstanding what
had passed in Parliament"
Reform would be
persevered in.
"had passed in Parliament, the original object of their meeting should
"in no wise be departed from, and that a Parliamentary Reform
"should as seditiously attended to, though in a different form, as
"it had been before. This conviction was accordingly as diligently
impressed, and the provision contained in it as faithfully uninformed,
by Lord Charlemont, as if his name had been Pitt, or Fox or Grey, or Sheridan
or Graham what other name, my Lord, shall we add?
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