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1819 June 25

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Lett.7
§ 4. Pos 3

or 14
Hardy pp 269 to 273
Novr 29th. 1783. Parliament
Between In
convention and ment,
angry words:
nothing worse. Persuaded By
Charlemont. Convention
adjourned. Parliament
addressed to Young against
them their new agreement.

Of the On the 29th of November 1783 the Irish Parliament
met and on the Convention was assured a time ofrival authority which in the
Parliament could not be endorsed. brooked Angry High words in both assemblies:
any thing worse than high angry words no where. So In the Hardy pp 269 to 273
Lord Charlemont succeeded in persuading them to adjourn, and a
of determined address to the King being voted by both Houses of Parliament
the Convention met never met again. In peace, it had begun and continent It ended in it begun
in peace, and in peace it ended.

or 15
Will perhaps that
they did not.Reasons
1. See Hardy Delegates did
not could not include
the Catholic body
2. Irishmen though united
could not have stood out
against British Government
3. Irish mind not so far
advanced as the English
4. The least populous
Kingdom not so good for
commencement as the most
populous

That in all this any thing of the his Lordship the noble President did otherwise than
right is more than I can take upon me to say, "The Delegates
(say. the biographers) did not, nor could they then include the
"Catholic body": this is one reason. Ireland had it ever been
united could not have stood out against Great Britain, with the
monarchy, the aristocracy, Lords in their own name House, and the Lords in the House and these dependants
of Commons by which it was ruled; this is another reason. The
Irish mind which is not now was still less was no then the English mind: ( is it now) this
was a third reason. The subject of Parliamentary reform had not
at that time received from any one that any thing like consideration which for such so
many well furnished minds it has received since: this is a
fourth reason: and more perhaps might be added. On these
things considered, it seems that in these times the impure has reason to felicitate itself that in Ireland in those
times no plan of parliamentary reform was
endeavoured at. For any such
endeavour the most populous
of the three kingdoms
is purely in comparison
of any other the most eligible
spot on which at any time it can some can
originate Hardy p.271

Two particularssubjects more call present<add>come here</add>a right to for mention.
given of a support to parliamentary reform; and that breachperfidy
of promise non performance which followed in much of course as if he those who made it
had been all monarchs. and engaged in a Holy regard.<add>League.</add> The other is the offers made of the
Parliamentary self-sacrifice.

or 16
memoranda ulteriora
I Promise of perseverance
in part. reform. given
by Charlemont and
Hardy 271. To insure
tranquility, necessary
"to convince the delegation
that notwithstanding what
had passed in Parliament"
Reform would be
persevered in.

"To insure ... tranquillity, it was absolutely necessary" (says Hardy p.271
the biographer) "to convince the delegates, that, notwithstanding what
"had passed in Parliament, the original object of their meeting should
"in no wise be departed from, and that a Parliamentary Reform
"should as sedulously attended to, though in a different form, as
"it had been before. This conviction was accordingly as diligently
impressed, and the provision contained in it as faithfully uninformed,
by Lord Charlemont, as if his name had been Pitt, or Fox or Grey, or Sheridan
or Graham what other name, my Lord, shall we add?

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