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the dishonestly <del>Left to</del><lb/>
the dishonestly <del>Left to</del><lb/>
Money lost to creditors<lb/>
Money lost to creditors<lb/>
since no d<hi rend="superscript">o</hi> gained<lb/>
same as d<hi rend="superscript">o</hi> gained<lb/>
by debtors.  But money<lb/>
by debtors.  But money<lb/>
the <gap/> suffering<lb/>
the <gap/> suffering<lb/>
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<p>1. Upon the face of it it presents not any national advantage<lb/>
<p>1. Upon the face of it it presents not any national advantage<lb/>
in any shape, <add>yes:if</add> <del>If</del> the creditors were all all of them, a<lb/>
in any shape, <add>yes:if</add> <del>If</del> the creditors were all of them, a<lb/>
<del>any very large</del><add>the greater</add> proportion of these foreigners: <add>for</add> here would be pecuniary<lb/>
<del>any very large</del><add>the greater</add> proportion of these foreigners: <add>for</add> here would be pecuniary<lb/>
advantage for for a <hi rend="underline">motive</hi>: <del>for a</del> <hi rend="underline">countermotive</hi><lb/>
advantage for a <hi rend="underline">motive</hi>: <del>for a</del> <hi rend="underline">countermotive</hi><lb/>
none but he dishonesty, and the <add>attendant</add> <del>natural</del> consequences of it.<lb/>
none but the dishonesty, and the <add>attendant</add> <del>natural</del> consequences of it.<lb/>
Setting freighters out of the question, <add>on setting many against money,</add> all that more in the<lb/>
Setting foreigners out of the question, <add>on setting many against money,</add> all that more in the<lb/>
character of debts, would gain men in the character of <lb/>
character of debts, would gain, men in the character of <lb/>
creditors would lose. <del><gap/></del> <add><del>Considering</del> Taking into the account</add> the whole of the community<lb/>
creditors would lose. <del><gap/></del> <add><del>Considering</del> Taking into the account</add> the whole of the community<lb/>
together, here then in many there would be no gain.<lb/>
together, here then in money there would be no gain.<lb/>
But money is of no value, <add>otherwise thence</add> <del>but</del> as a means of happiness<lb/>
But money is of no value, <add>otherwise than</add> <del>but</del> as a means of happiness<lb/>
<del>paid</del><add>How</add> as happiness there would be great less.  For quantity<lb/>
<del>paid</del><add>How</add> as happiness there would be great less.  For quantity<lb/>
and quality being equal, and all other circumstances the <lb/>
and quality being equal, and all other circumstances the <lb/>
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2 Earliest sufferers those<lb/>
2 Earliest sufferers those<lb/>
to whom the sponge<lb/>
to whom the sponge<lb/>
has been seen to be most<lb/>
has been said to be most<lb/>
desirable. Particularly<lb/>
desirable. Particularly<lb/>
manufacturers of goods<lb/>
manufacturers of goods<lb/>
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come to <gap/> any<lb/>
come to <gap/> any<lb/>
thing. <del><gap/></del> The more<lb/>
thing. <del><gap/></del> The more<lb/>
<gap/> that in the fund.<lb/>
men had in the fund.<lb/>
the more <sic>compleatly</sic><lb/>
the more <sic>compleatly</sic><lb/>
they would be disabled<lb/>
they would be disabled<lb/>
from purchasing any<lb/>
from purchasing any<lb/>
they buy said necessaries</note><lb/>
thing buy said necessaries</note><lb/>


2. <del>The class</del> Among <add>those</add> <del>the proper</del> who would suffer soonest<lb/>
2. <del>The class</del> Among <add>those</add> <del>the proper</del> who would suffer soonest<lb/>
and most, would be <add>all those by whom a change of <del><gap/></del> this sort</add><del>preserve of that class of person by whom</del><lb/>
and most, would be <add>all those by whom a change of <del><gap/></del> this sort</add><del>preserve of that class of person by whom</del><lb/>
<del>in <gap/> instances and be it <gap/> what a change <add><gap/></add> of the</del><lb/>
<del>in <gap/> instances and be it <gap/> what a change <add><gap/></add> of the</del><lb/>
<del>sort</del> has been considered a spoken of as desirable. Among<lb/>
<del>sort</del> has been considered or spoken of as desirable. Among<lb/>
these, in an indefinitely large proportion <del><gap/></del> perhaps<lb/>
these, in an indefinitely large proportion <del><gap/></del> perhaps<lb/>
the greatest, are those by whom labour such goods <del>are</del><lb/>
the greatest, are those by whom labour such goods <del>are</del><lb/>
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purchasers <del>in <add>the</add> possessors</del> <add>persons whom property is in this shape</add>  <del>of ample fortunes existing in all</del><lb/>
purchasers <del>in <add>the</add> possessors</del> <add>persons whom property is in this shape</add>  <del>of ample fortunes existing in all</del><lb/>
<add>From this defalcation, though all labourers would suffer laborious</add><del>proportion for what does be for in inconsiderable part less to</del><lb/>
<add>From this defalcation, though all labourers would suffer laborious</add><del>proportion for what does be for in inconsiderable part less to</del><lb/>
<add>productions are those which can be spread: Among the production</add> course becoming <gap/> of the measure in question the expend<gap/><del><lb/>
<add>in manufactures would suffer in the greatest degree: for among them</add> <del><gap/> the shape in question. But p <gap/> those <gap/></del><lb/>
<add>productions are those which can be spared: Among the production</add> <del>course becoming <gap/> of the measure in quantity the expend<gap/></del><lb/>
in <gap/> <gap/> be for an</del> <lb/>
in <gap/> <gap/> be for an</del> <lb/>
<add>of husbandry where are those which consistently with life can not</add><del>of the <gap/> furnished to the manufacture <gap/> <gap/></del><lb/>
<add>of husbandry where are those which consistently with life can not</add><del>of the <gap/> furnished to the manufacture <gap/> <gap/></del><lb/>
<add>be spared. </add> <del>been necessary consequence. Those who <gap/> <gap/> <gap/></del><lb/>
<add>be spared. </add> <del>by the <gap/> customers <gap/> <gap/> would <gap/> proportion</del><lb/>
who all would no longer be all to purchase anything those <add>who</add><lb/>
<del><gap/> necessary consequence. Those who together <gap/> <gap/></del><lb/>
<del>them all would we hope be all to purchase anything those</del> <add>who</add><lb/>
<note><del>who in all shapes<lb/>
<note><del>who in all shapes<lb/>
retained property no<lb/>
retained property no<lb/>
more than sufficient <lb/>
more than sufficient <lb/>
to purchase <gap/><lb/>
to purchase necessaries<lb/>
would by their loss<lb/>
would by their loss<lb/>
in this shape be disabled<lb/>
in this shape be disabled<lb/>
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1819 Dec.17

Note (a) ?
II Nature of the case
§.10 X Sponge no proof
Reasons against
Radicalism not dangerous

Sponge

or 1
Reasons against a Sponge.
1. Advantage none, Yes
if creditors were all foreigners
pecuniary advantage a
motive: countermotive none,
but the consequences of
the dishonestly Left to
Money lost to creditors
same as do gained
by debtors. But money
the suffering
by loss greater than
enjoyment by gain
Else no case for
preventing theft &c

1. Reasons against a National Sponge compleat
into insolvency in the part of government.

1. Upon the face of it it presents not any national advantage
in any shape, yes:if If the creditors were all of them, a
any very largethe greater proportion of these foreigners: for here would be pecuniary
advantage for a motive: for a countermotive
none but the dishonesty, and the attendant natural consequences of it.
Setting foreigners out of the question, on setting many against money, all that more in the
character of debts, would gain, men in the character of
creditors would lose. Considering Taking into the account the whole of the community
together, here then in money there would be no gain.
But money is of no value, otherwise than but as a means of happiness
paidHow as happiness there would be great less. For quantity
and quality being equal, and all other circumstances the
sp suffering from less is always greater than enjoyment
from gain: otherwise there would be no preponderant
evil produced by theftdepredation in any shape nor reasonable cause for
presenting it.

2
2 Earliest sufferers those
to whom the sponge
has been said to be most
desirable. Particularly
manufacturers of goods
for operatedcustomers
Those whom all is
in the funds would
come to any
thing. The more
men had in the fund.
the more compleatly
they would be disabled
from purchasing any
thing buy said necessaries

2. The class Among those the proper who would suffer soonest
and most, would be all those by whom a change of this sortpreserve of that class of person by whom
in instances and be it what a change of the
sort has been considered or spoken of as desirable. Among
these, in an indefinitely large proportion perhaps
the greatest, are those by whom labour such goods are
manufactured b as have for their consumersconsumers and
purchasers in the possessors persons whom property is in this shape of ample fortunes existing in all
From this defalcation, though all labourers would suffer laboriousproportion for what does be for in inconsiderable part less to
in manufactures would suffer in the greatest degree: for among them the shape in question. But p those
productions are those which can be spared: Among the production course becoming of the measure in quantity the expend
in be for an
of husbandry where are those which consistently with life can notof the furnished to the manufacture
be spared. by the customers would proportion
necessary consequence. Those who together
them all would we hope be all to purchase anything those who
who in all shapes
retained property no
more than sufficient
to purchase necessaries
would by their loss
in this shape be disabled
for customers to be
purchasers of those





Identifier: | JB/137/138/001"JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 137.

Date_1

1819-12-17

Marginal Summary Numbering

or 1, 2

Box

137

Main Headings

radicalism not dangerous

Folio number

138

Info in main headings field

radicalism not dangerous

Image

001

Titles

spunge

Category

text sheet

Number of Pages

1

Recto/Verso

recto

Page Numbering

c4 / d6 / e1

Penner

jeremy bentham

Watermarks

[[watermarks::[prince of wales feathers] i&m 1818]]

Marginals

jeremy bentham

Paper Producer

arthur wellesley, duke of wellington

Corrections

Paper Produced in Year

1818

Notes public

ID Number

46855

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