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Earl of Harrowby's Speech, on moving for recommencement of Stipendiary Curates' Bill
18 June 1812
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p.1. Percivals Bill but
one of a system of measures
for strengthening the established
Church.
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p.3. Mention of Curates "ought
"to be in proportion to the
"number of Incumbents non-
resident and not doing their
own duty
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p.3. Total Returns for 1810
10,261, and in M
Notting yard if Returns for
1809 — Totals 11,194.
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p.3 970 the number of
Non-Resident duty — Four
per 1810.
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p.4. Objection P of
ought to regulate be left
to the pastors as of other labour
Answer is
Provision for established
Church & public c
2. it has been regulated
formerly — viz.
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1. T Ed. 3. 6 masters
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2. T 2. 6 masts
or b and 4 masts
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3. Subsequent to H. 8. In
every faculty of dispensation
Curates Salary is
referred to Bishop or Ordinary
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4. By 12 An. c, Bishops
imposed to assign Salary
not less than £21, nor
more than £50 in proportion
to magnitude of cares
and value of benefices.
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5. Per 36 G.3 maximum
£25: plus parsonage
is £15.
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p.5. Hence this no in.
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p.6. This no violation of
property — Ecclesiastical
property is .
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p.7. Pluralities and non
Residence "unknown to
"the law of any Church but
"that of England."
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p.7. Repeat of that H.8
and 43.G.3 would put
an end to them: would
not be a violation of
property: much less would
provision for officiating
Ministers.
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p.8. In case of Non Incimbents
non Residence
"Churches" interest as with
the "public's" requires
"another resident Minister
directly supported"
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p.8. Return of Curate's
Salaries comparison do of
Licensed not Exempted
Incumbents
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P.8. No Return from
St David's!
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p.8. Curates profit accounts
incomplete: casual
not specified: ex. gr.
parsonage, fees
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p.9. Analysis of C profit
Returns viz of
Ao 18.. only.
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p.10. Of 600 Livings under
£150, average value £89.
Of Curacies of do, £35.
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p.10. Of 1150 Livings
above £150, average
value continuance: do
value of their Curacies
£50. no more
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p.10 Of these 1150 only 152
where Curacy is as high
as £75 the maximum
as per 36 G.3.
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p.10. Those deducted, Livings
above £150, 1000 Curacies
to do average £45.
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p.11. Its regret that in 1000
parishes, means so large,
pittance so small,
☞ Regret still more that
universal average pittance
is so much smaller
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p.11.
Per H. present practice
as to Curates salaries
reduces a lower amount
than £50 more livings
(i.e. Curacies?) than the
1054+ livings (i.e. Rectories
?)+ as per last return
viz. before the first of
the 4 grants of £100,000.
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p.11. Calculations as to
Curacies of Exempts.
Conceditur, these better
able to spare good Salaries
than Licencees. Per W.
not probable that they do.
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p.13.
Per H. "when Church
"has no poverty to plead
"minimum mass of poverty
" and unnecessarily
created by the under
"distribution of its wealth.
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p.14. Objective other
income from Incumbency
or Curacy. (☞. Saying anything
of non-clerical
sources, as )
Answer — Either salary
insufficient even for a
single man, or labour
inadequately recompensed
Reply per J. B. ☞ Per Jesus
parable of the Vinyard
Labourers
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p.15. Conceditur
Connection of using, not
"necessary" between degree
of 'respectability' and "amount
"of labour", ap
virtues not '' from
do penalty
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p.16.
Answer for W.1 How
"experts" liberally educated
men will put one to
such a lottery &c
☞ Per J. B. Because they
always have.
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p.16. 2. Disrespect
for the functionaries — thence
for the duties.
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3. No means of proving
respect by money-giving.
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4 Respect to persons and
others is measured by
do paid to them by authorities.
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p.16. 5 What must men
think of the value set by
a Legislature &c?
☞ Per J. B. What of the
Legislature by
so unequal in
value has always been
set?
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p.16. 6 Rapid growth of
Salaries, who alive not
such small incomes
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p.17. 7. H. confirmed by
authority of Elder and
Scott.
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p.17. Hi (43 G.3
1.84 passed, Scot brought
in Bill for imposing condition
of inf Charge
passed Commons: 4th of
August brought up to
Lords, too late. But
Elder said he would bring
in a Bill if not brought
in now enough next Session
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p.17. 2 Decr 1803, Bill
by Scott "to encourage"
Curates Residencies —
dropped in the Committee
H. knows not why.
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