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Letter 3d Supplement or Postscript

5 Decr 1802

XVI Improved Prison

containing the state of the Colony of New South Wales with in respect of with reference
to two of the objects of penal justice reformation and
economy, from Septr 1796 down to August 1801
according to the evidence exhibited in the Vol. II of the
Account of the Colony by Lieutenant Colonel Collins.

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In fact the expence
has been grudged, as
will be shewn further
on.

Grudged?—says a voice somewhere—whether
Your Lordship's or whom else I know not am unable to distinguish— out of all
habits as I am with great men. Grudged! however
(says the voice and in a tone of displeasure—) what does that mean?/and what of that?— as
if for such an object where reformation is at stake, expence would be grudged by
any body: as if in such a case, the grudging of the
expence money, if it were grudged, ought to stop the issue of
it?—For corruption, no my Lord: for that object
no expence has ever £46 a year per head has never been thought too great in Your
Lordships office; any more than the office under it/underneath But reformation is another thing. As
to the ought and the ought not, these are speculative points
and may be left to speculatists. The fact is, that money
for this purpose is grudged, and to such a degree grudged,
as to prevent the issue of it. If such be the fact, and
Your Lordship, will a little further on see it is) in the most opulent of
all opulent countries, what may it be expected to be in the rest?

+ I mean so long
as "improved" Colonies
have been the scene of it.7
Yet in some instances
it has nonetheless
been bestowed

Grudged or not grudged, another fact is, it must be
confessed, that in some instances the exp money looked
upon as necessary for this expence purpose has been issued,
and prisons built accordingly, viz: these improved prisons.

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Results the object
of

Prisons built, and what has been the results? In respect
of reformation, separation over-done, over-done in some instances
to the degree of absolute solitude:in all of them, or at least almost all of them the influence effect of that solitude
at the same time disturbed at least of not utterly destroyed, by occasi regularly
recurring associations.

Identifier: | JB/116/541/001 "JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 116.
Date_1	1802-10-05	Marginal Summary Numbering	6-8
Box	116	Main Headings	panopticon versus new south wales
Folio number	541	Info in main headings field	letter 3d
Image	001	Titles
Category	correspondence	Number of Pages	1
Recto/Verso	recto	Page Numbering	f8
Penner	jeremy bentham	Watermarks	1800
Marginals	jeremy bentham	Paper Producer
Corrections	jeremy bentham	Paper Produced in Year	1800
Notes public	letter was never sent; see note 8 to letter 1747, vol. 7	ID Number	38074
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