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1820
Radicalism not dangerous

§.7. (1) Note
II Experience
II Ireland

(1) Charlemont // Hardy against Reform

Hardy 253 Charlemont proposes to Ld Lieutenant Northington that
"Grattan will their political union was he ever still
"more altered by friendship: should be a Privy Counsellor too, else he would not.
Hardy 258 Volunteer as to reform commence

§ Charlemont and his associates the Whigs of Ireland were
adverse to reform parliamentary reform and to reform in every
shape except that whereby their own opulence indirectly,
and their own power directly were augmented.

( ) Hardy p. 257. Hardy a friend to approves of reform parliamentary reform
provided always that it were brought about by such means
and such means only, as could neither have brought it about
nor even have had existence.

+ Copy in P.257
to own legislature

"If England had reason to complain of the inadequacy or inequality
of its representation in the House of Commons, the
"people of Ireland had, at least, as much cause to find fault
"with theirs; and had the subject been confined to county and
"City meetings, or occasional assemblies of delegates, unexceptionably
"convened, no question could have arisen as to the
"propriety, and perhaps real utility, of such discussions.
"Petitions, the result of those Meetings, might have been duly
"laid before Parliament; and though immediate success,
"or any thing like it, could not be looked for, the attention
"of the House of Commons to the original and simple
"proposition of a parliamentary reform, would not
"have been diverted to matters of an extraneous nature,
"and totally hostile to the cause with which they so improperly
"intermingled themselves. What was the case at the
"present moment? The voice of England in favour of
"a reform was re-echoed here, not by the people, constitutionally
"speaking, but by the Volunteer Army,
"issuing indeed from the people, yet still a military
"body, numerous and formidable. Parliament had,
"as Mr Grattan justly stated, not bullied, but backed
"by them, overthrown the jurisdiction of another Parliament,
"and now, however well intentioned the Volunteer
"Army in general undoubtedly was, it is but too
"certain that many who belonged to it wished, not to modify,
"not to meliorate, but at once overset the popular branch of their own legislature.

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Date_1	1820	Marginal Summary Numbering
Box	137	Main Headings	radicalism not dangerous
Folio number	343	Info in main headings field	radicalism not dangerous
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Penner	jeremy bentham; john flowerdew colls	Watermarks	[[watermarks::[prince of wales feathers] i&m 1818]]
Marginals		Paper Producer	arthur wellesley, duke of wellington
Corrections		Paper Produced in Year	1818
Notes public		ID Number	47060
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