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1819 Decr 1
Radicalism not dangerous

E Note (f) 4 Notes
II Experience
II. Ireland
Coercive power none

Position 5. These leaders had not, any of them, over the privates
whom they commanded any legal power of punishment whatsoever.

Proof.

The truth of the position follows necessarily from the manifest
nature of the case. Po In any ordinary sense addr of the word in which
the word punishment — legal punishment — is used, only by Government
can any such power be created; and by Government
in this case no such power was given. Had any such power
been given, it could not have been given before, as will
be seen Government would with great solicitude have retracted it revoked it
That by Government made no attempt was made to subject the
body in question to power under itself subordinate to itself and of its own creating
and exercised in subordination to itself, is declared in the
following passage.

(f2) (2) Cause

Plowden p.492 "Ao 1779 Oct.r "Government affrighted,
"at the situation into which they had thrown or permitted the
"country to be thrown, delivered out to the people 16,000 stands
"of arms, thereby encouraging and encreasing the number of
"Volunteers, without any stipulation, regulation, or authority
"for organizing them or subjecting them to subordination."

(f1) (1)

Extract of Lord Lieutenant's Speech 1779 Oct 12 from
Plowden I. p. 488. The exhausted state of the Treasury has hitherto
"put it out of my power to give to those exertions the
"most exhaustive and constitutional operation, by carrying the
"Militia law into execution."

(f3) (3)

Plowden I. 492. "It is singular that this formidable body,
armed and organized by no other authority or sanction than
the great law of self-defence, was neither charged nor questioned
by the Irish Government or Parliament, as to the legality
of their Commission or Delegation. [Government had so wasted Quere which I want?
its vigour, that it could not raise its arm in self-defence.]

Hardy 210. Unanimous chambers of both Houses gave to the Volunteers
Ao 17

Identifier: | JB/137/410/001 "JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 137.
Date_1	1819-12-01	Marginal Summary Numbering
Box	137	Main Headings	radicalism not dangerous
Folio number	410	Info in main headings field	radicalism not dangerous
Image	001	Titles	note (f) / proof
Category	collectanea	Number of Pages	1
Recto/Verso	recto	Page Numbering	d4
Penner	jeremy bentham	Watermarks
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