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1819 June 23 +
Collectanea. Parl Reform. Grattan against Universal Suffrage

p10 Peoples last court
To Erskine 1 Grattan observed
Universality undangerous

+ N.B. What Plowden says about reform in this and many following pages
is highly instructive| "Hardy 276" In August 1783 that is those matters before the meeting of the convention at in Dublin, the
"Parliament was dissolved, a
"a new one summoned to
"meets"
Pl.p. 451. 452.

In Plowdens History of Ireland II. 455 + —from 14 Parl. Deb. p.80

☞ This must have been the collection of Irish Parl.y Debates.

This was in the debate on Mr W. Brabazon Ponsonby's Bill "for amending
"and improving the state of the representation in Parliament presented in 1794 Presented in
Plowdens Appendix Vol
III No XCVII.
before on the 2 August motion for rejecting
numbers for it
it by a postponement
till 2d August, numbers
for the postponement 142
against 44 "Thus
ended the cause of parliamentary
reform

57
Grattan

1. It completely diverts
from the fundamentals
of the British Constitution

2
2 It violates the rights of
man: viz. by involving
the destruction of property

"Worse even than the abuses so defended is a plan I have
"seen for their reformation — personal or individual representation.

"The principle of such a plan is a complete avowed,
"and unqualified departure from the vital and fundamental
"article of the British Constitution, in practice and in theory;
"and I must say, such an outset requires no small
"degree of mischievous and senseless temerity. With equal
"folly does this plan violate the dearest rights of man,
"for if there be one right of man entirely indisputable,
"it is that which gives to the IIndividual in particular,
"and the community in general, the fruits of
"his and their industry; thus the passenger through
"your field, or the labourer throughon your farm, has no
"right to make rules for the management of the same,
"nor have the aggregate of labourers or of non-proprietors
"a right to make rules or ordinances for the land,
"farms, or trade of the community. |

3
N.B. On a survey
half the Irish were exempt
from hearth-money for
want of property.

"This reasoning applies very strongly to the case
"of Ireland, because it appeared on the hearth money survey of the last year that those who were to be exempt from the hearth-money for
survey of the last year, that those who were to be exempt from the hearth-money, for "want of property were more of than half of our Inhabitants.
"It was besides insisted on by the objectors to reform
"on the principle of property, that such a principle excluded
"the majority; it follows, that the plan, which gives votes
"to all the IInhabitants, and gives away to that majority the fruits
"of the IIndustry of the community, gives away the Estate of the
landholder

Identifier: | JB/137/460/001 "JB/" can not be assigned to a declared number type with value 137.
Date_1	1819-06-23	Marginal Summary Numbering	1-3
Box	137	Main Headings	radicalism not dangerous
Folio number	460	Info in main headings field	collectanea parl. reform - grattan against universal suffrage
Image	001	Titles	to erskine
Category	collectanea	Number of Pages	1
Recto/Verso	recto	Page Numbering	e1
Penner	jeremy bentham; john flowerdew colls	Watermarks	[[watermarks::[prince of wales feathers] i&m 1818]]
Marginals	jeremy bentham	Paper Producer	arthur wellesley, duke of wellington
Corrections		Paper Produced in Year	1818
Notes public		ID Number	47177
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